Is it all Leopolds

[Justin Crossley]

My son recently went to a Long Range Shooters of Utah class so I asked him about their inventory of rifles and scopes.

Nearly every rifle was a custom, about half chassis, half stocked. The scopes were mostly Leopold mark5, a few NF.

Funny they have such bad equipment but he still hit the milk jug challenge at 1k , managed to hit at a mile, and had the smallest group in his class. All with a 6.5 needsmore and a mark 5.

I don't own a mark 5, but maybe I should.

A lot of people are using Mark 5's with good success. Most my friends (including some of the best competitive shooters in the US) shoot them and love them. It's not surprising to me at all that the shooting school is using them with good results.

I have also watched some of those same shooters check and adjust their zero every morning at matches. They aren't typically really far off, but two or three tenths is common.

I have been so tempted to buy a Mark 5 so many times but I've just watched too many people constantly need to adjust them.

 

[LaHunter]

Here is what my new mk4hd has done this month from just riding in the truck. Mine can not be trusted, getting pulled. View attachment 795180
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Same as the old variable power Mark 4s.

 

[SchwarzStock]

I was a Redfield fan until the Army adopted the M24 (with the Leupold Ultra M2a) in 1988. They have not changed scopes and use newer versions for new developments. I never saw tracking/zero issues and use Leupolds regularly to this day. The exception is when I buy a used German rifle already fitted with a scope, typically Zeiss of Hensoldt.

 

[EricBender208]

I didn’t know leupolds had problems until I came to Rokslide. I’m not a competitive shooter but I like to send about 100 rounds a year through my .300 win mag and never had an issue. VX-3 LRP (I know I’m poor) on it for 5+ years now. Ranges from 200-1200

 

[pacoalcracker]

Thats because there are no problems with Leupolds......it's all in their heads(the RS anti-Leupold gang). If you don't shoot a Tikka, topped with a SWFA, Trijicon or NF set in UM rings...you are shooting garbage. Period. End of story.

 

[bmart2622]

^^^^Not quite. I was a huge Leupold guy for a lot of years, never missed an animal due one...at least not that I know of. But like clockwork, every year or multiple times a year I would have to re-zero. For decades we've been told that this is just normal and what you do. Come to find out, its not. Switched my main rifles to Trijicon Credos and voila.... no more having to re-zero. Not sure how a claim can get made thats its "all in their heads" with documented proof. And btw the Tikka I own has a Leupold on it and not in UM rings, your ridiculous, emotional claim doesnt hold water. Shoot what you want, dont worry what other people shoot

 

[Formidilosus]

I was a Redfield fan until the Army adopted the M24 (with the Leupold Ultra M2a) in 1988. They have not changed scopes and use newer versions for new developments. I never saw tracking/zero issues and use Leupolds regularly to this day. The exception is when I buy a used German rifle already fitted with a scope, typically Zeiss of Hensoldt.

It was the Leupold Ultra M3A, and then Mark 4 M3A. The fixed power Ultra’s and Mark 4 MA scopes are not even in the same solar system as the variable lower Mark 3/5/6’s that came after. The fixed power Mark 4’s (especially the M3A model) are some of the most solid and reliable scopes ever made- the variable power versions are junk comparatively.

 

[zrodwyo]

I kept track of the zero on my mk5 for two years after missing an antelope and reading all the bad reviews of the mk5. I checked the zero often and 90% of the time it was riding in the back of my truck.

In that time, the scope never shifted in a detectable way until last weekend. I was riding around in a side by side for three days straight the scope lost zero. 1/2” high at 100 yards when I checked zero.

 

[BBob]

Thats because there are no problems with Leupolds......it's all in their heads(the RS anti-Leupold gang). If you don't shoot a Tikka, topped with a SWFA, Trijicon or NF set in UM rings...you are shooting garbage. Period. End of story.

Nah, I figured it out shooting Remington's with Leupold's mounted in Badger rings on Badger pic rails way before there were internet forums let alone Rokslide.

 

[Cactus kid]

I find this to be way off base. You're just trying to tell everyone how much money you have and how much better and smarter you are with out saying it.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I have 4 leupolds and shoot probably more in a week than the average person shoots in 10 years. Ive went through over 4000 small rifle primers in the last year alone. I bought my last case in Oct of last year. Thats not counting large rifle or pistol.

They only one I ever had to re-zero was one where my sling broke and the rifle hit the ground. It was about 5 moa off. Tge ocular was actually dented. I re-zeroed it and kept hunting. Sent it in later.
I love how you ASS-ume things.
Leupolds just plain work for what they are. Show me other scopes from 40 years ago that still work and hold zero. And hold their value. If they didn't then people wouldn't buy them. People speak with their wallets every day. I'm so glad you are "flexing on the poors" or at least you think you are. I'm sure NF is the only scope that works

We are not so different. We both shoot a lot. And we both have had leupolds that don’t hold zero when dropped.

Just don’t understand how I’m flexing on the poor. Leupold makes some damn expensive scopes.

 

[Jake Larsen]

I find this to be way off base. You're just trying to tell everyone how much money you have and how much better and smarter you are with out saying it.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I have 4 leupolds and shoot probably more in a week than the average person shoots in 10 years. Ive went through over 4000 small rifle primers in the last year alone. I bought my last case in Oct of last year. Thats not counting large rifle or pistol.

They only one I ever had to re-zero was one where my sling broke and the rifle hit the ground. It was about 5 moa off. Tge ocular was actually dented. I re-zeroed it and kept hunting. Sent it in later.
I love how you ASS-ume things.
Leupolds just plain work for what they are. Show me other scopes from 40 years ago that still work and hold zero. And hold their value. If they didn't then people wouldn't buy them. People speak with their wallets every day. I'm so glad you are "flexing on the poors" or at least you think you are. I'm sure NF is the only scope that works

My leupold that lost zero and cost me a giant deer cost more than the nightforce I replaced it with.


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[35WhelenAI]

Had the scope taken a fall or just was that much off from day in, day out shift? Can you recall what distance was the shot? Always interested to know the background. It's a shame to lose a big one or any for that matter. I gather to a miss-hit, and he got away.

 

[Jake Larsen]

Had the scope taken a fall or just was that much off from day in, day out shift? Can you recall what distance was the shot? Always interested to know the background. It's a shame to lose a big one or any for that matter. I gather to a miss-hit, and he got away.

Scope took no falls that I was aware of. Drove from MT to WY, gun rode in a case. Put it on a backpack, hiked in several miles and set up a spike camp. From there, I hiked to a glassing spot and back to camp for 6 days. Went on a stalk for this shot on the 6th and final day of the hunt. Shot was 280 yards. Missed, didn’t know why. I was stable, the shot felt right. Got pounded by a massive snowstorm that night, left. Checked zero, was 4” low at 100 yards, verified by another shooter because I couldn’t believe it. I had spent several days scouting that buck, and had hunted him for 7 days during archery. 190+ clean typical. Still the biggest buck I’ve seen on the hoof by far. It really burned me up, because it was at a time when I had saved for months for that scope and spent way more than I should have, just to be let down in the worst way possible. Then I started searching online, and very quickly found the threads on every hunting/shooting forum out there going back many years discussing these exact issues. I tested the turret with a tall target test, and found it wouldn’t return to zero reliably. Sent in to Leopold, they verified the issue and replaced parts. That was enough of the great golden ring for me…


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[HOT ROD]

I work part time as a RO at our public range and yesterday 4 people show up to check there zeros the 4 of them traveled from back east at least 20 hours away... All 4 where shooting Leupold scopes cds dials vx3 and the other 3 where vx5 or 6.... All 4 scopes needed to be zeroed again they where off by a couple inches left or right high or low... Every one of them swear they where zeroed before they left.. And I see this often. I see way more leupolds and vortex fail than any other scope.

 

[BradArnett]

Thats because there are no problems with Leupolds......it's all in their heads(the RS anti-Leupold gang). If you don't shoot a Tikka, topped with a SWFA, Trijicon or NF set in UM rings...you are shooting garbage. Period. End of story.

I'm not sure if you are serious or just trolling?

Maybe rokdlide is the first forum you've ever been on.......but here's a quick post that predates rokslide. I'm sure there's more, this was just on the first page of the search. I've sent back and sold multiple failed reopolds. Maybe they work for you, if so I have still have 1 left. An m8 gloss friction adjust 6x42. It's on the floor under the bench because it shit the bed. Maybe it's fine and is just me, if you want to buy it it is for sale.

Rifle Scopes - Tracking/loss of zero problems with Leupy Mark 4?

I have a Leupold Mark 4 in 8.5-25. I've had a chronic wandering zero that I thought was probably shooter error. Over the weekend, I shot in a match and did great on the first string, hitting 8 of 10. That's typical for me at these matches. On strings 2-4, my number of hits went steadily...

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[JGRaider]

I work part time as a RO at our public range and yesterday 4 people show up to check there zeros the 4 of them traveled from back east at least 20 hours away... All 4 where shooting Leupold scopes cds dials vx3 and the other 3 where vx5 or 6.... All 4 scopes needed to be zeroed again they where off by a couple inches left or right high or low... Every one of them swear they where zeroed before they left.. And I see this often. I see way more leupolds and vortex fail than any other scope.

So you made the determination it was the scope and not the ammo, atmospherics, mounts, torque, shooter error, etc? Just curious.

 

[sveltri]

So you made the determination it was the scope and not the ammo, atmospherics, mounts, torque, shooter error, etc? Just curious.

On 4 different rifles?

 

[LONE HUNTER]

My leupold that lost zero and cost me a giant deer cost more than the nightforce I replaced it with.


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Opportunities at big deer are so rare......losing one to a scope failure is a giant kick to the nuts. I never lost a deer due to a scope failure. I sure had some odd hits though. Aiming at the high shoulder and hit the deer middle of the back. This was back when I shot vortex rifle scopes. Most of the times I hit the deer weird I would check zero and it would be mucho off. I am grateful that now my rifle set up, if I make a bad shot or miss, it's almost gauranteed all on me and not a guess on what happened.

 

[wind gypsy]

While researching non-leupold scopes, this explanation popped up from someone on why mk5 is out of consideration.