Is it all Leopolds

[Billy Goat]

 

[Reburn]

I'd be willing to bet they're smart enough to know if they've killed something they've shot at.

Nah you are just trolling me. Cant play tonight. Sorry.

 

[kman]

No issues here, have had one since late 90’s - currently on a Thompson Center and no issues holding or durability.

 

[SOIHUNT]

I need to go out to my gun safe and smack my Mark 5 with a big hammer for never losing zero yet lol but it does sit on my 300 ultra mag…..

 

[bmart2622]

But as long as it still kills it's fine.....

Just like if your truck runs like shit but still gets you to work every morning its still fine right

 

[ColPenguin]

No issues here, have had one since late 90’s - currently on a Thompson Center and no issues holding or durability.

How would you feel if you bought a newly assembled lemon Leupold scope that wasn't constructed with the same durability as your 30 year old Leupold?

 

[Billy Goat]

Just like if your truck runs like shit but still gets you to work every morning its still fine right

Hey now, don't talk chit on my truck. It's a dodge, it's perfect.

 

[bmart2622]

Hey now, don't talk chit on my truck. It's a dodge, it's perfect.
Literally the truck I pictured when I wrote that

 

[Choupique]

The 2.5-8 bombing the drop test broke my heart. Mine have been flawless but they are on deer rifles that admittedly get treated very well and aren't bounced around much. It's the perfect general purpose eastern deer scope IMO.

 

[AC300PRC]

I wanted to love Leupold so much I let 3 of them fail on me. After the second one it’s my fault.
VX3 erector tube failed
VX6 (first gen) CDS turret broke
MK5HD, the infamous loss of zero (twice, so my fault)

 

[Billy Goat]

@bmart2622 maybe that's the problem.

I know @mxgsfmdpx uses these cheap ass rams, and had issues with Leupold holding zero.

It's just the solid front axle on a car chassis, ruins other scopes, maybe it's the real test.

Those guys with gmc/Chevy that ride like caddies don't have issues.

Problem solved.

 

[bmart2622]

@bmart2622 maybe that's the problem.

I know @mxgsfmdpx uses these cheap ass rams, and had issues with Leupold holding zero.

It's just the solid front axle on a car chassis, ruins other scopes, maybe it's the real test.

Those guys with gmc/Chevy that ride like caddies don't have issues.

Problem solved.

I had a Leupold wander and drive a Chevy

 

[Ross]

Will be the odd man out. Only scoped rifled since the 80s I’ve hunted with have been Leupolds. I go to the range every year check zero, no issue so boring Also, the two decade tikka simply has stacked them up. Sometimes simple is good.

 

[kman]

How would you feel if you bought a newly assembled lemon Leupold scope that wasn't constructed with the same durability as your 30 year old Leupold?

Not happy. Sorry it’s a lemon. Maybe I got lucky.

 

[Mike D Texas]

Leupold Engineer's Comment on Tracking.

I listened to a podcast the other day that referenced a Leupold engineer saying that when their scopes fail to track properly, it is because when the internals are put together and lubricated, the grease does not always get spread throughout the erectors full range of motion. He said that when...

rokslide.com

In case people want to subject themselves to even more of this discussion. But yea. The engineers are aware of the discussion and the issues. It’s frustrating that they don’t do some R&D, but likely because those types of decisions are made through entire teams of analysis on ROI and market. One of my best friends works for SIG as an engineer. I ask him about stuff like this all the time that seems obvious from the consumer end of things. He just shrugs and says “the market analysis teams make those decisions” Until enough of the consumer base demands change, it won’t happen. I’d be willing to bet that Hunting scopes are a tiny tiny fraction of Leupolds total sales and business

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I would bet just the opposite on Leupold scopes. That’s what have been known the longest for a spud I’d bet the VX line of scopes significantly outsells the MK line.

Rokslide is not the majority of hunters by a LONG shot.


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[onlybrowning]

Genuine thought, not trolling. I hand load and use pretty much only Hodgdon Extreme powders in an attempt to not have large changes in velocity over different temperatures.

I’m also admittedly very new to this game (analyzing zero repeatability on rifles). In my world, those who are able, buy a good scope (Leupold) and check zero before deer season. Eastern whitetail hunting.

Let’s say you check zero on September 20th or thereabouts every year, and you adjust accordingly. How many people have a good enough rest, with consistent temperatures, with a chronograph, to verify that a minute or so so of adjustment is indeed a scope failure and not another variable?

I’m absolutely putting value in the drop tests and data and have used it in my purchases. Just curios if the other variables are at play like I suspect they may be. For example, if a person reloads with say W-748 in their .308 and zeros at 82 degrees, is it reasonable to think their zero at 25 degrees may shift a bit at 100yds, not factoring less that great technique, and sub par mounting, etc.?

I used to shoot 4 position NRA small bore. It was always indoor, and quite controlled as far as temps go. In that environment, it was uncommon to re-zero a scope unless you shot a different lot number of ammo. Otherwise, your sighter target was really a warmup and an easy insurance policy.

Is this a factor in people “blaming scopes” for other issues?


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[Billy Goat]

I had a Leupold wander and drive a Chevy

Fake news

 

[Jake Larsen]

I would bet just the opposite on Leupold scopes. That’s what have been known the longest for a spud I’d bet the VX line of scopes significantly outsells the MK line.

Rokslide is not the majority of hunters by a LONG shot.


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It’d be interesting to see some numbers. Keep in mind they’ve got multiple military contracts.


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[ColPenguin]

Not happy. Sorry it’s a lemon. Maybe I got lucky.

Nothing for you to be sorry for.

Most everyone buying a new Leupold scope have the expectation that it's going to be just as reliable as your older Leupold scope.

 

[Billy Goat]

Genuine thought, not trolling.

Let’s say you check zero on September 20th or thereabouts every year, and you adjust accordingly. How many people have a good enough rest, with consistent temperatures, with a chronograph, to verify that a minute or so so of adjustment is indeed a scope failure and not another variable?




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I had a r700 .260 with constant wandering zero. Through a few different scopes, then changed mounts and had a continued wandering zero


That gun would produce .5 moa with handloads, hated anything past 120 gr, but with 100gr amax, it was money. While doing ladder test or whatever the flavor of the month was.

Zero would change, by like 6" between periods of carrying it in the truck


Pull Leupold, Burris, Weaver, put Trijicon on, checked receipt, that was 2012. Zero hasn't changed.


Repeat on a few other rifles, almost magic.



Can't say environments didn't change, but they were consistent enough that I didn't notice a change.

It's been surprising taking a gun that seems to shoot like chit, (1.5 moa) and taking it to 450 yards on groundhogs (wood chucks or Phil, whatever you want to call them) and it still hits way past anything I tried to dial with other scopes

It's a tikka with sportsmatch rings, swfa 10x, and 77tmk.

I'm sure there's better combo's, but this is a stupid easy button in my experience. Made me think why is stuff so hard?

I still think the accuracy sucks with my RSS, but it keeps hitting what I'm shooting at.