Is it all Leopolds

[Jfjfrye]

Gotta beat on it when you adjust zero. You don't carry a sawed off broomstick with your Leupold?

The “ol leupold TAP”

 

[Jfjfrye]

Very easy way to find out. Will take about 2 minutes at a 100 yard range…


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But that would require having to actually go shoot instead of running fingers on the forum thread ….hmmmm

 

[pacoalcracker]

Why go thru the time and wasted ammo at a range when you can track your scope on a Bushnell Pro bore sighter and watch the reticle tracking on the grid as you dial it whatever way you want. The graduated grid is in 4"@100yd segments. In addition, once the rifle is sighted in you take note of where the reticle is on the grid and you can check your zero when and where you choose. When I go on a hunting trip it goes with me. Gee whiz guys, why does it have to seem so hard when it can be so simple with the proper tools.

 

[35WhelenAI]

John B. You posted because you have an experience or an opinion. Many folks choose to judge one way or the other and it makes this forum poorer. I appreciate what you said.

Y'all know it's okay not to punch a tag, right?

 

[Yukon Cornelius]

Things happen.

Thanks for sharing. Complicated. That’s what he says. And I’ll agree.

 

[Castle Rock]

Castle Rock.....Nightforce scopes are made in America, in Orofino, Idaho. The glass is imported from Japan. Most scope and bino manufacturers do not make their own glass. Top tier glass is a highly specialized process. So no, they are not made or assembled in Japan/Asia. SWFA and Vortex etc are. That was my point.

Which Nightforce do you have that is made in the USA, mine are made in Japan

 

[fwafwow]

Things happen.

Thanks. Do you mind pointing to the part of the video that's of the most interest? Even at 2x speed, I'm too impatient to watch the whole thing.

 

[jimh406]

As long as you buy something that isn’t Leupold, it will be fine.

 

[BBob]

Thanks. Do you mind pointing to the part of the video that's of the most interest? Even at 2x speed, I'm too impatient to watch the whole thing.

About the first 5 minutes and the last 5 minutes. Basically he says he knew something wasn’t right, swapped scopes and everything went back to where it was. Failed Kahles scope.

Was the failure big enough to miss game with? Maybe not depending on distance but in this case group size and point of impact varied noticeably between the two scopes.

 

[toddh]

I just went on a horeseback elk hunt where I rode over a 100 miles in 8 days. Leupold VX5. Lots of banging around all week going up and down the mountain. Got home and checked my gun. It was dead on.

 

[Bugger]

I just went on a horeseback elk hunt where I rode over a 100 miles in 8 days. Leupold VX5. Lots of banging around all week going up and down the mountain. Got home and checked my gun. It was dead on.

 

[BBob]

I just went on a horeseback elk hunt where I rode over a 100 miles in 8 days. Leupold VX5. Lots of banging around all week going up and down the mountain. Got home and checked my gun. It was dead on.

Pictures or it didn’t happen. Will also need detailed pictures of said rifle to verify if it has been used and abused enough to satisfy the requirements.

 

[fwafwow]

About the first 5 minutes and the last 5 minutes. Basically he says he knew something wasn’t right, swapped scopes and everything went back to where it was. Failed Kahles scope.

Was the failure big enough to miss game with? Maybe not depending on distance but in this case group size and point of impact varied noticeably between the two scopes.

Thanks. I watched about the first 12 minutes and last 10. For those who are hesitant to watch, the video has nothing to do with Leupold. The guy also pointed out that his trusted Kahles failed, and there is nothing about dropping it, falling, or riding in a truck, etc.

 

[BBob]

and there is nothing about dropping it, falling, or riding in a truck, etc.

Many benchrest scopes mounted on babied BR rifles have suffered the same fate. Just the simple act of shooting and transporting has produced many failures over the years.

 

[Axlrod]

Why go thru the time and wasted ammo at a range when you can track your scope on a Bushnell Pro bore sighter and watch the reticle tracking on the grid as you dial it whatever way you want. The graduated grid is in 4"@100yd segments. In addition, once the rifle is sighted in you take note of where the reticle is on the grid and you can check your zero when and where you choose. When I go on a hunting trip it goes with me. Gee whiz guys, why does it have to seem so hard when it can be so simple with the proper tools.

Putting a steel mandrel in the bore of your rifle can damage the crown. It is a terrible idea.
This is a tool the kid at the box store uses to get you "on paper". It is not an accurate substitute for checking zero.
How is shooting your hunting rifle ever wasted ammo??

 

[Wrench]

.....and you'd never see the movement on an imprecise tool. You're talking tenths of a mil.

 

[LONE HUNTER]

I don't really have much to say about Leupold.

But, man people get touchy about their equipment. If someone tells me what I'm using doesn't work when I know it clearly works for me. I tip my hat and say "thanks dude" and go back to what I was doing.

All that said. I definitely had issues with my rifles retaining zero before reading "forms" posts, starting probably 5 years ago now.

After reading and applying things, losing zero is no longer a problem on my rifles. (verified from hundreds of miles on a solid axle ATV, thousands of miles in trucks and a dozen dead animals).

If that makes me a "formie" then I will own it.

 

[Macintosh]

With respect, regardless of scope, if that happens hunters have a responsibility to check zero if there's any question there may have been reason to expect loss of point of aim.

If that's beyond what folks can do, it becomes selfish and not respecting living creatures that deserve the best when we engage them.

Anybody disagree with that? That's a yes or no answer, do animals deserve the best we can give them when there's any doubt? And if a rifle suffers an impact does that create doubt?

The direct answer to your Yes/No question is YES, I agree hunters have a responsibility to give animals our best to ensure we dont wound one due to an equipment failure, but NO when my rifle suffers an impact it does not necessarily create a doubt--IF I have the history with that individual piece of equipment to have a consistent record of not shifting zero after multiple similar events. To me, the key is frequently and consistently checking it in a repeatable manner after each season and during the off-season, so I actually can see if it ever shifts...so I can have informed confidence when it matters. My due-diligence to that animal I might shoot at tomorrow after I fall, has been in progress with that specific gun and scope for the past couple years, to the tune of dozens of zero-checks and a minimum of many, many hundreds of rounds. If its a combo I have less history with, or an impact noticeably harder than I've already taken several times, I am less cavalier about it. I am at the point where if I slip and fall hunting and the gun takes some impact in a way it has before, I know from repeated experience that with that rifle and scope I do not need to check zero....but if I fly to hunt, I will absolutely still check zero becasue who knows what the baggage handlers hucked my rifle case off of. Ethically-speaking I sleep very well at night taking this approach. Regardless of what anyone thinks of that, the scopes I replaced and no longer use would routinely lose zero 1.5-2moa or more without ANY impact, so I am 100% certain the way I am doing it now is more ethical than it would be to use those scopes and check zero after impacts.


Also, yes, real hunters fall, at least every real hunter I know does. It doesnt take too steep of a slope covered in several inches thick of wet leaves, sprinkled liberally with dead branches, blowdown and a dusting of awkwardly-shaped rocks, all covered by just enough slushy snow to obscure what's underneath, and then saturated by rain--traversed while wearing footwear suitable for the swamp you'll have to cross next--to be a pretty darn good humbler. There are plenty of places that I'm sure have equally slippery footing where an occasional slip and fall (or a slip and a bump while catching yourself in the process of NOT falling) is simply a fact of life, regardless of fitness or agility or grandma status. My hat is off to anyone that can sneak through a couple miles per day in that terrain for a couple months a year and not take at least a spill or two each season--in over 50 years on this Earth I have yet to meet such a person.

 

[35WhelenAI]

Thanks for the post Mac. It's a good thought you share and what others have said about absolute ethics in choice of scope in the first place. It's something to be aware of and consider more than in the past on my end to put the most consistent product in the field.

 

[Archer86]