Is it all Leopolds

[35WhelenAI]

Thanks JC, appreciate the candor. Couple weeks ago I put a Meopro 3-9X 40 BDC on my hunting rifle (35 Whelen AI), replacing a VX3HD ZL 3.5-10x40.

Already thinking what Mac says, process of elimination.

I never felt the VX3 HD ZL represented what the rifle had done before with the previous VX-2. Got the Meopro from a member here last spring.

I'm a teacher and hope over Christmas break to have the opportunity to get to the local indoor range and see if the consistency reappears that had been here with the old VX-2.

The gunsmith screwed the bbl on straight when he made that 35 Whelen AI. Very consistent with the VX-2. It's been in the back of my mind when the consistency at the range wasn't what I felt it should be when I put on the VX3HD ZL replacing the VX-2. I was three for three on one shot kills on whitetails (180-225 yds) during my year of living in North Carolina with the VX3HD ZL. However at the range, I was fiddling with it. I will absolutely be able to tell when I get the Meopro verified if there is a difference between the two scopes.

 

[JGRaider]

For the record, our group of 4 had no trouble killing whitetail bucks in the TX Panhandle, 130-163 inches, ranges 140-265yds, with a couple of Arken's, a Leupold, and a Zeiss Conquest.

On to the mule deer rut for the next month.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

This many faulty scopes of different brands points in one direction

Yep it points to a guy who goes out and actually uses his gear.

 

[Castle Rock]

This many faulty scopes of different brands points in one direction

Yes, someone who uses his gear, and knows when something is wrong
Ther are a huge amount of us here who have had the same experience

 

[LONE HUNTER]

This many faulty scopes of different brands points in one direction

Then what explains the scope that isn't' giving him fits.......If it's him it would be literally every scope including Nightforce....

I had almost the exact same experience as Justin, I had 2 different Vortex scopes that literally would never stay zeroed after going on a several day hunting trip. 2 Millet scopes as well. Finally got real sick of it and bought a nightforce SHV. No more issues with losing zero. Six years now, I think 8 big game animals, hundreds of miles on an atv. Thousands in the truck. hundreds of hiking miles, desert sand, snow, rain, falling down on the mountain etc. No loss of zero. I did miss a doe at 240 yards 2 years ago. Friend was like "your gun lost zero, how'd you miss such an easy shot". We went straight to the shooting range at the bottom the mountain. 2 shots later he was like "nope you just missed".

 

[JackButler]

Then what explains the scope that isn't' giving him fits.......If it's him it would be literally every scope including Nightforce....

I had almost the exact same experience as Justin, I had 2 different Vortex scopes that literally would never stay zeroed after going on a several day hunting trip. 2 Millet scopes as well. Finally got real sick of it and bought a nightforce SHV. No more issues with losing zero. Six years now, I think 8 big game animals, hundreds of miles on an atv. Thousands in the truck. hundreds of hiking miles, desert sand, snow, rain, falling down on the mountain etc. No loss of zero. I did miss a doe at 240 yards 2 years ago. Friend was like "your gun lost zero, how'd you miss such an easy shot". We went straight to the shooting range at the bottom the mountain. 2 shots later he was like "nope you just missed".

There we have it. I finally understand. It’s not just leupold. All scopes are junk but nightforce. My fault for getting sucked into a fanboy thread.

 

[Justin Crossley]

This many faulty scopes of different brands points in one direction

Speak plainly if you want to discuss things. I don't have time for vague sarcasm.

It's already been mentioned by others but if the problem was me, I would have the same issues with all scopes.

The interesting thing is that I can buy most the scope brands above at significant discounts and instead, I choose to buy Nightforce at full price. Trust me when I say I would much prefer to find a Leupold scope that proved reliable.

 

[Justin Crossley]

There we have it. I finally understand. It’s not just leupold. All scopes are junk but nightforce. My fault for getting sucked into a fanboy thread.

All scopes are not junk. There are a number of scopes from different companies that tend to work correctly.

A lot of scopes do not consistantly work correctly and companies don't improve them because the general public has no idea.

 

[JackButler]

Speak plainly if you want to discuss things. I don't have time for vague sarcasm.

It's already been mentioned by others but if the problem was me, I would have the same issues with all scopes.

The interesting thing is that I can buy most the scope brands above at significant discounts and instead, I choose to buy Nightforce at full price. Trust me when I say I would much prefer to find a Leupold scope that proved reliable.

Ok I will speak plainly. Although I was skeptical since my experience was different, I almost believed it was a legit thread that leupold had issues. When it turned into all brands but nightforce, I realized I had unwittingly fallen into a fanboy thread. My bad.

 

[Spoonbill]

Ok I will speak plainly. Although I was skeptical since my experience was different, I almost believed it was a legit thread that leupold had issues. When it turned into all brands but nightforce, I realized I had unwittingly fallen into a fanboy thread. My bad.

Trijicon is another brand, with scopes in similar price points to Leupold, that hold up well. I think Trijicon even changed their testing to make sure their scopes held zero. I know it was posted on here a while ago, if you search you can probably find it.
I think you find some people like Nightforce because Nightforce was one of the first companies to sell scopes based on durability, not features. Now that there are a couple options, it is more of a Ford v. Chevy scenario.

 

[Castle Rock]

Jack B why not benefit from the depth of experience here, we have nothing to gain from sharing our findings
My first boss had a really good saying:
“Listen with your ears, not your mouth “

 

[Macintosh]

I must be the only nf fanboy that doest own one bc I think their reticles suck for hunting.

 

[Wrench]

I don't think it sucks.

 

[JohnJohnson]

Ok I will speak plainly. Although I was skeptical since my experience was different, I almost believed it was a legit thread that leupold had issues. When it turned into all brands but nightforce, I realized I had unwittingly fallen into a fanboy thread. My bad.

Not everything said about Leupold/Vortex etc is a personal attack on you.

 

[5811]

Not everything said about Leupold/Vortex etc is a personal attack on you.

In general, if you get upset or defensive when anything critical is said about a brand, it's because you have your ego tied to your gear choice.

 

[LONE HUNTER]

Ok I will speak plainly. Although I was skeptical since my experience was different, I almost believed it was a legit thread that leupold had issues. When it turned into all brands but nightforce, I realized I had unwittingly fallen into a fanboy thread. My bad.

You're the one who was pointing fingers about it being a user problem. Not a scope problem. All I did was tell you when I landed on Nightforce I stopped having problems. Use what you like. I don't give 2 shits what you shoot.

 

[35WhelenAI]

Wow, just got reaction to posts six days ago. Way to stay up and on it boys.

 

[bmart2622]

I actually thought YOU were going to be interesting. But it’s just down to your favorite is the only scope that will track.

You could always send your favorite to Form and have him run it through the drop test and see how it shakes out

 

[JackButler]

You're the one who was pointing fingers about it being a user problem. Not a scope problem. All I did was tell you when I landed on Nightforce I stopped having problems. Use what you like. I don't give 2 shits what you shoot.

Agree. Shoot what you want. That doesn’t mean everything else is junk though. There are plenty of threads about nightforce scope issues, but I don’t think they’re junk and won’t hold zero.

 

[IDVortex]

Wait. So Maven and Trijicon are no longer legit scope manufacturers? It's NF or nothing now? Damn.