Is CWD the Imminent Doom for Hunting?

[Pacific_Fork]

CWD has absolutely not always been there since the animals existence. In fact they know for a fact that it was new on the landscape when it was first detected in the 70s.

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Lots of factual facts thrown out here. But it was first detected in the 60s, fact checked.

 

[Scottf270]

Not all deer are affected by CWD. I'm sure some have natural immunity. If CWD does cause massive die offs, the survivors will be left to breed and their offspring will be more immune to it.

Having mass slaughter in the name of saving something only works in very tightly controlled instances. We don't kill all the kids in a classroom when some of them get the flu do we?

Is it something to be concerned about? Possibly? But rest assured that man will not solve it. Nature will.

 

[grfox92]

Lots of factual facts thrown out here. But it was first detected in the 60s, fact checked.

Ok, does the "fact" that they believe it was new on the landscape when it was first detected now change? It wasn't fully understood or even known to be a transmisible disease until 1977. In fact when it was first detected in "the 60s" 1967 to be "factual" it was thought to be an illness brought on due to malnutrition.

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[chanson_roland]

Nothing to see here. Deer Meat iz gud...

 

[HingleMcCringleberry]

No idea where it came from. Doesn't really matter either. It's here forever now.

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I believe that is true, which makes the current cwd strategy seem fairly idiotic.

 

[grfox92]

I believe that is true, which makes the current cwd strategy seem fairly idiotic.

Yea man it's a shitty deal. I'm watching it in real time move into the areas I hunt and live in and am watching the first detected cases on these areas. Its only a matter of time before its everywhere.

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[Pacific_Fork]

Ok, does the "fact" that they believe it was new on the landscape when it was first detected now change? It wasn't fully understood or even known to be a transmisible disease until 1977. In fact when it was first detected in "the 60s" 1967 to be "factual" it was thought to be an illness brought on due to malnutrition.

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I was just being a smart ass. I don’t think anyone can be certain it wasn’t here before 1967. It’s a guess at best. They just found it in CA deer. It’s everywhere and not going away. Yet in the highest CWD areas in the Midwest they’ve got too many WT so that’s odd to me. But I’m no biologist who purposely create infectious diseases to see what happens so what do I know.

 

[grfox92]

I was just being a smart ass. I don’t think anyone can be certain it wasn’t here before 1967. It’s a guess at best. They just found it in CA deer. It’s everywhere and not going away. Yet in the highest CWD areas in the Midwest they’ve got too many WT so that’s odd to me. But I’m no biologist who purposely create infectious diseases to see what happens so what do I know.

Yea sorry, didn't mean to come at you. I'm at the gym with Pantera blasting in my ears, probably came off a little to angry .

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[spike camp]

When it was first recognized at the CSU research facility, they weren’t researching CWD.
The deer became sick while in the pens.

Prior to the deer in those pens, sheep with scrapie were once housed in those pens.

These diseases mutate.
I’ve read more than once that it’s widely speculated that scrapie from sheep mutated and deer contracted the mutated prion and thus CWD began.

 

[mt terry d]

From my local field office biologist, disease specialists at Game and Fish.

Funny something like this isn't common knowledge

You'd think people in the know would be screaming this from the rooftops.

 

[grfox92]

Funny something like this isn't common knowledge

You'd think people in the know would be screaming this from the rooftops.

Well it was explained to me after I made the statement that "this has probably been around forever and has never been a problem for humans." He corrected me by explaining that when they figured out exactly what it was they were confident that this was a new disease that has never been around before and was 'new to the landscape'.

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[LostArra]

degrees in Biology who are actively studying and managing CWD.

Studying? yes. Testing? sure, we are getting better at identifying it.

Managing? I'm not so sure anyone is "managing" CWD. Are carcass disposal guidelines considered managing?

The hubris of man that we can "fix" anything in nature is remarkable.

 

[H2PVon]

From my local field office biologist, disease specialists at Game and Fish. Much like alot of people posting here, I care about real facts and not speculation or bro science. I ask my questions and vent my concerns to the people with degrees in Biology who are actively studying and managing CWD.

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Wildlife biologists and micro biologists are different. I'd expect a research paper and peer reviewed and duplicated research before I made such a definitive statement as to origins.
Regardless, it is here to stay so what to do moving forward is the main concern beyond understanding the origins.

 

[TaperPin]

There’s an old guy in our family that died 10 years ago from a prion related thing of some kind - his only major risk factor was eating wild game, but who knows if he picked it up from blowing dirt coming off a livestock hauler, or drinking mountain water. At the time nobody knew what to think about it other than it’s really rare. Makes a guy think.

Anyway, this is a pretty good professional paper that gives a pretty broad overview of what’s known, what’s not known, and what direction research will likely be headed towards.

The ecology of chronic wasting disease in wildlife - PMC

Prions are misfolded infectious proteins responsible for a group of fatal neurodegenerative diseases termed transmissible spongiform encephalopathy or prion diseases. Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) is the prion disease with the highest spillover ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Genetic research professional papers would be interesting to read if they weren’t so hard to follow - CWD isn’t just one thing - there are many different types and it is mutating - some strains are more likely to cause problems with some types of animals. What was true 20 years ago may not apply to new strains. Makes a guy think - hopefully things get sorted out.

 

[grfox92]

Wildlife biologists and micro biologists are different. I'd expect a research paper and peer reviewed and duplicated research before I made such a definitive statement as to origins.
Regardless, it is here to stay so what to do moving forward is the main concern beyond understanding the origins.

So when the sate game agency biologist teaches me something I should ask him to cite his specific source with study numbers? Come on man.

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[TaperPin]

“Bro science” made me chuckle - whoever said that made my morning. Lol

Monitoring CWD is a lot like having a borescope - you can worry yourself to death about what you see or just accept there are a lot of bad things in the world that are ok to know about, but don’t loose sleep over them unless it starts negatively affecting things.

 

[H2PVon]

So when the sate game agency biologist teaches me something I should ask him to cite his specific source with study numbers? Come on man.

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If making a definitive statement while deriding "bro science" and dealing in "facts", yes. Bring something more to the table than "bro hearsay". Here's a USDA information article saying "The origin of CWD is unknown" which was why I was asking.

NWRC Spotlight: Accomplishments in Chronic Wasting Disease Research | Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service

 

[grfox92]

If making a definitive statement while deriding "bro science" and dealing in "facts", yes. Bring something more to the table than "bro hearsay". Here's a USDA information article saying "The origin of CWD is unknown" which was why I was asking.

NWRC Spotlight: Accomplishments in Chronic Wasting Disease Research | Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service

Who's claiming to know where it came from? He said it was new on the landscape when it was discovered. I don't even know what you are trying to argue. Information from a biologists who specializes in cwd is not "Bro Science".

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[spike camp]

Id say 50% infection prevalence of an always fatal, highly infectious, mutating, and seemingly unstoppable disease… would constitute ‘affecting things’.

 

[H2PVon]

Who's claiming to know where it came from? He said it was new on the landscape when it was discovered. I don't even know what you are trying to argue. Information from a biologists who specializes in cwd is not "Bro Science".

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There’s an old guy in our family that died 10 years ago from a prion related thing of some kind - his only major risk factor was eating wild game, but who knows if he picked it up from blowing dirt coming off a livestock hauler, or drinking mountain water. At the time nobody knew what to think about it other than it’s really rare. Makes a guy think.

Anyway, this is a pretty good professional paper that gives a pretty broad overview of what’s known, what’s not known, and what direction research will likely be headed towards.

The ecology of chronic wasting disease in wildlife - PMC

Prions are misfolded infectious proteins responsible for a group of fatal neurodegenerative diseases termed transmissible spongiform encephalopathy or prion diseases. Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) is the prion disease with the highest spillover ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Genetic research professional papers would be interesting to read if they weren’t so hard to follow - CWD isn’t just one thing - there are many different types and it is mutating - some strains are more likely to cause problems with some types of animals. What was true 20 years ago may not apply to new strains. Makes a guy think - hopefully things get sorted out.

From the paper cited:
Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) is the most worrisome member of the group of prion diseases, because it affects wildlife, and is currently spreading rapidly in North America and has recently been detected in Europe (Fig. 1). However, our knowledge of the origins of CWD is limited. The first observation of CWD occurred in 1967 in a captive deer facility in Colorado (Williams & Young, 1980). There is speculation that CWD emerged in this facility due to scrapie spillover from sheep co-housed there (Blumhardt, 2018). However this has not been confirmed. Instead, this early detection could be related to intense observation by veterinarians in this research facility. More historical–epidemiology research is necessary regarding CWD in Colorado to understand better the apparently spontaneous CWD cases recently confirmed in Europe (Benestad et al., 2016; Evira, 2018; Vikøren et al., 2019).

You said "CWD has absolutely not always been there since the animals existence. In fact they know for a fact that it was new on the landscape when it was first detected in the 70s."

My understanding, as per the paper cited (2020 I believe), was that it was unknown at this time if it was new on the landscape. I was hoping you could point me to something that said otherwise since you made the statement.