Is CWD Politically Generated ?

[Coldtrail]

Was it Dr. Kroll? Sounds like it was transforming it to mirror Texas MLD program. From the private landowner side the MLD program is probably the most ecological friendly program backed by sound science in the US. Although in some parts you better be prepared to kill a lot of deer to provide relief to the eco system

Yes, it was "Dr Deer" Kroll.

 

[cuerro viejo]

Yes, it was "Dr Deer" Kroll.

Then he was pushing for more of a MLD type program. Guy knows his deer ecology.

MLD is Program where tags are based off population counts in regards to carrying capacity and herd ratios, you can use private biologists or state. Lots of a fun work that goes into it including browse studies etc.

 

[Pacific_Fork]

No, go talk to one of the many biologist who hunt. It’s definitely real.

 

[Jimss]

Interesting youtube video about CWD and mtn lions:

 

[Whitey Fisk 88]

Not sure if it's politically generated in PA, but dealing with it sure is. Our first case in PA was in 2012 and traced to a captive herd in a deer farm. Every case since then can be traced back to another damn deer farm. Probelm. Pennsylvania Game Commission has zero authority over game farms. That falls under the auspice of PA Dept of Agriculture. And they have zero interest in shutting down the deer farms. The really ironic thing? Deer waste, feces, urine, salivia, is thought to be a vector for CWD transmission. In PA's DMA's or disease management areas, it's illegal to use deer urine based lures. Even though there are deer lure operations operating within those restricted areas. That's right. Gathering deer urine from a deer farm in an area with high CWD cases for resale in other areas.

Finally someone gets it: captive deer herds started it and the sale and transportation of captive deer have spread it exponentially faster. But its still 100% legal...

You hunters better boil your skull cap before bringing county to county though!!!

Deer farming is a big money industry with a big lobby group. Until we stop them or at least get heavy regulations then the problem will only continue to get worse.

 

[justin davis]

In my opinion CWD isn’t an issue. So it doesn’t make sense to me to kill off all the deer to stop something that isn’t an issue. I think EHD is worse but it doesn’t seem to concern them. But that’s my opinion

 

[Reburn]

Finally someone gets it: captive deer herds started it and the sale and transportation of captive deer have spread it exponentially faster. But its still 100% legal...

You hunters better boil your skull cap before bringing county to county though!!!

Deer farming is a big money industry with a big lobby group. Until we stop them or at least get heavy regulations then the problem will only continue to get worse.

Tell us where CWD started again. Where was it first discovered? Was there any captive deer at that time?

 

[Whitey Fisk 88]

Tell us where CWD started again. Where was it first discovered? Was there any captive deer at that time?

In deer it was first discovered in a captive mule deer in Colorado State University pens....i think that answers questions both 1 and 2

 

[wind gypsy]

I've not done many hours of critical research but with the delayed impact of Creutzfeldt-jakob disease in humans from mad cow, and possible misdiagnosis as alzheimer's, I'm not eager to eat or feed my family any meat from a CWD infected deer. If the prions stay on the landscape for years, it seems like minimizing the spread and quantity of that is a reasonable goal.

If it's proven to ever jump to humans or livestock big game hunting and game populations are in big trouble. Way more so than it is with aggressive quotas and season structures targeting mature deer. I'd sure hate to see it get to that and know that I got in the way of anything being done because I wanted more big bucks around to shoot.

Sucky part is it doesn't seem like killing a bunch more deer and testing is really doing much right now to tell us anything. If it results in more areas that aren't heavily infected before we can learn more, i think that's a compromise i'm willing to make.

It seems like @Reburn has some info about possible scrapies being misdiagnosed as CWD? Any links on that?

 

[MTSasquatch]

Simple thought exercise for your answer:

1) The potential human health outcomes of CWD remains a possibility and is concerning.

2) It’s 2022, so everything is political.

But simply because both 1 and 2 are real does not make CWD political. We need not always conflate issues with politics.

 

[Reburn]

In deer it was first discovered in a captive mule deer in Colorado State University pens....i think that answers questions both 1 and 2

So the deer was born in the pen or it was aquired out of the wild?

Your so very wrong but hey, thats ok. some people struggle with facts and timelines. Especially with first detected in vs started in.

Please show the trace forward from a mule deer in a state facility in CO and then to a mule deer in toronto and then to a wild elk in canada.

Timeline

Timeline

cwd-info.org

It seems like @Reburn has some info about possible scrapies being misdiagnosed as CWD? Any links on that?

Short answer is the current proposed orgin is the prion jumped from sheep or goats to deer. I dont have links as it was paper not digital and I didnt save it. I tend to not put alot of stock into scientific papers until they have been peer reviewed at least a couple times and becomes gernerally accepted as fact. However goats, sheep and deer are very similar on an number of levels biologically so the hypothesis at least holds water pass the inital sniff test.

 

[Whitey Fisk 88]

So the deer was born in the pen or it was aquired out of the wild?

Your so very wrong but hey, thats ok. some people struggle with facts and timelines. Especially with first detected in vs started in.

Please show the trace forward from a mule deer in a state facility in CO and then to a mule deer in toronto and then to a wild elk in canada.

Timeline

Timeline

cwd-info.org

Short answer is the current proposed orgin is the prion jumped from sheep or goats to deer. I dont have links as it was paper not digital and I didnt save it. I tend to not put alot of stock into scientific papers until they have been peer reviewed at least a couple times and becomes gernerally accepted as fact. However goats, sheep and deer are very similar on an number of levels biologically so the hypothesis at least holds water pass the inital sniff test.

So if i take a wild animal, put it in the zoo, then its still wild by your logic ??

Where the deer was born isnt the action thats causing the issues , its the human intervention of putting them in a pen where theyre being fed, bred, transported and living ass to ass with other deer that is wholly unantural. How can you not grasp that??

Im starting to think this is Keith Warren's or Mark Drurys account lol.

 

[Reburn]

So if i take a wild animal, put it in the zoo, then its still wild by your logic ??

Where the deer was born isnt the action thats causing the issues , its the human intervention of putting them in a pen where theyre being fed, bred, transported and living ass to ass with other deer that is wholly unantural. How can you not grasp that??

Im starting to think this is Keith Warren's or Mark Drurys account lol.

If you take a wild animal and cage it, its a wild animal caged not a domestic animal.
first generation born in captivity would be domestic argumentatively.

The disease didnt come from being caged or poor living conditions. it came from the wild into the pen with the deer. How can you not grasp that??

Im beginning to think this is josh bomars secret account lol.

 

[Billy Goat]

If you take a wild animal and cage it, its a wild animal caged not a domestic animal.
first generation born in captivity would be domestic argumentatively.

The disease didnt come from being caged or poor living conditions. it came from the wild into the pen with the deer. How can you not grasp that??

Im beginning to think this is josh bomars secret account lol.

Easy on the Bromar stuff, he doesn't cage them.

Just turns them loose on his new primo farms.

 

[cuerro viejo]

In deer it was first discovered in a captive mule deer in Colorado State University pens....i think that answers questions both 1 and 2

First observed. Big difference. How long have sheep been roaming the hill if the US? When was the last Scrapies out break?

Always more to it. Breeders helped move it around but that’s not to say it’s all their fault. Several states that didn’t get it from breeders, it walked across or popped up…. Maybe not so randomly.

 

[LostArra]

CWD: chronic worrying disease
Hell yes it's political. There is money involved and no one is "controlling" anything


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[Backyard]

I can see how it could be. Here in Minnesota if they get a single CWD positive deer in an area they decide to decimate the deer herd and in the end you still have CWD and a lot less deer.

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When and where did the MNDNR ever decimate an entire wild herd?


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[Backyard]

I can see how it could be. Here in Minnesota if they get a single CWD positive deer in an area they decide to decimate the deer herd and in the end you still have CWD and a lot less deer.

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When and where did the MNDNR ever decimate an entire wild herd?


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[maddmartagan]

Yes it is…but only because morons like OP ask questions like this…


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[Nickofthewoods]

Yes it is…but only because morons like OP ask questions like this…


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Why are you so mad maddmartagan? Most of your posts are really angry.

Jesus Christ there are some loons on this forum


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Maybe time for you to find a new forum with less loons?