No it’s the one that thinks knockdown power, ft lbs of energy and large bullet diameter is what kills things.
The discussions on this big gun little/ gun topic on Rokslide has demonstrated a considerable amount of myopic behavior on both sides of the argument. At the end of the day there are likely many, like me, who own and use calibers across the spectrum on game. With the right bullet and shot placement they all kill. There are thousands of examples on one side and hundreds of thousands on the other (due to historical norms). It is hard to understand why either group seems to insist on forcing their views the other. It really doesn't matter. You use a 22ARC on moose, cool. You use a 338 win mag on deer, cool. Whatever trips your trigger, you do you, I'll do me and we will both be successful.
The “caliber argument” is a just small part of the overall picture.
This is very true. But again its plainly obvious that this occurs on both sides of the "fight". There is no guiltless "side". There is no point to any discussion on this forum if it can't be done in a respectful, educational manner.
If a bullets energy and size don’t kill animals, then what does?
Bullet construction, and enough speed that the bullet performs correctly when an animal is struck by it in the vitals. It’s why a 77gr bullet at 1800fps will kill an elk, even though it falls well short of the 1500ftlbs of energy rule touted as gospel for so long. In fact, this .223 load has only about a third of that.
Yea, I’m not stating the specific amount of energy required to kill different animals. But, in the end, it is literally energy from the bullet transferred to the animal that causes them to die. The debate is how much, and where the energy is dissipated.
The size of the hole it makes
Sure, energy transfer does create the wound, but I would guess that the actual energy required is well under 500ftlbs even for an elk sized animal.
Sure. I think the point is, with a modern properly constructed bullet, the amount is low enough that a 300wm is not needed. In fact a 223 will do the job fine out to 500 yards. If a guy wants to use more than that, or has the skills/need to extend that range significantly, then by all means he should go with a big magnum.
Learned “a lot” from one or two bear kills? Interesting.
Have you shot elk sized game close to 500 yards with a .223? I’m genuinely curious.
Watch the video…he learned a lot from the Hornady’s. Dont assume
Probably not a bad idea. I started balding at like 22.
275 is the longest personally. Worked as expected. Plenty of photographed evidence on this website of folks doing it well beyond that.
You have a synopsis you could share? I’m not a fan in general of the very few pieces I’ve listened to from those guys. Maybe this one is different?
“Carry the energy as far as possible” lol. I turned it off after that sorry.
