IDFG PROPOSAL RAISING NONRESIDENT FEES, REDUCING TAGS FOR OUT OF STATE HUNTERS

[IdahoElk]

We are turning in to Europe. Hunting the Kings deer, where only the rich can hunt. Residents don't care cause it doesn't affect them, that's how the F&G get away with it.

Move to a state with Elk,problem solved.

 

[huntaholic123]

I hate to see the rise in price and limit of tags but unfortunately budgets need to be met. Supply and demand. Elk hunting popularity has exploded and I don’t foresee it getting any easier to obtain tags. It’s a fine line between opportunity and quality of hunt. I’m a nonresident to most elk hunting states but plan on playing the points and hunting them all over the years.

 

[KurtR]

Priorities come in to play if you want to elk hunt and if 200 dollars is going to break you i am sure there are plenty of areas to save money. Be it cut back on the beer and chew or eating out. I make it a point to save money all year because i want to go. If you want it bad enough there are ways.

 

[kiddogy]

We are turning in to Europe. Hunting the Kings deer, where only the rich can hunt. Residents don't care cause it doesn't affect them, that's how the F&G get away with it.

poor pip, don't git no dinner tonight.

 

[87TT]

What's it cost to go to a pro ball game? Tags are only a small part of the total cost of hunting. They aren't talking lowering the total numbers just limiting some areas. Obviously we have enough that there have been leftovers after 8 months.

 

[sportsmans challenge]

I haven't yet read this whole thread, but one thing i haven't seen mentioned is when the draws are. Maybe instead of the being the last chance western state or the well atleast i have idaho when no draws were favorable, i think it would make some decisions for the guys that put in for every other state hoping for a draw, but knowing they can easily get in idaho if they have to, maybe think harder on their draws/ tags.

Kind of funny how randy newburg and all the other pod casts talk about get you draws in playing the dates up till late spring where if you didn't get anything you still have idaho to draw and then if not drawn over the counter.

I did see mentioned they dont plan to raise wolf tag cost's, thats great! That means we have a state that really recognizes we have a predator issue and they want to work on knocking that down. Not to mention NR can use their big game tag to tag a wolf if they choose.

Instead of just raising NR raise all, But if they want to limit NR maybe raise it a bit more than res and slightly reduce NR tags.

I my self do not like the 2nd tag option for resident, yeah it would be nice to maybe tage a cow and then a bull or vice versa, but if we have game issues and hunter density issues, maybe 1 guys shouldn't be able to buy over the counter 2 tags, but maybe open some more drawn 2nd tags.

There are many places in idaho you can get multiple bear tags, wolf tags are very plentiful, as well as there are meat hunter tahs all over like depredation cow elk and others. The land owner tags should be applicavle on the land owners land only, not for anywhere around, near or adjacent to the land owners tag/land.

My .02, not worth much, but i will pay to play and try to see my wife get into it as well as my daughters when old enough.

 

[FLAK]

2 replies above makes my point.
Doesn't affect me, then its not my problem.
I've got mine attitude.
What happens when it does affect you and everyone
has your attitude?.......
Hunters better wake the he$$ up!!!

 

[87TT]

It absolutely affects me. I just happen to like the proposals. If I wanted to hunt AL, I would not whine about their laws or prices.

 

[FLAK]

It absolutely affects me. I just happen to like the proposals. If I wanted to hunt AL, I would not whine about their laws or prices.

Cause you da' man.

 

[txhunter581]

I can and will afford to go elk hunting regardless of price of the tag. But sad to see others being priced out, as some friends of mine have been.

We as supposed to be recruiting new/ younger hunters, and the price is getting to the point that a young hunter in their 20s-40s raising a family is hard pressed to make this work. I have had friends like that go with me and because I am going anyway, didn't charge for gas, etc. because I wanted them to go and I spent the same amount whether they went or not. But along the way, the tag prices have gotten to where they can't justify it any more.

Yes, you can always rationalize that they can "cut corners" all year and make it work, but when you have a wife and 2-3 kids that need stuff, that logic doesn't work. Supply and demand is not the way to price wildlife tags IMO.

 

[wind gypsy]

2 replies above makes my point.
Doesn't affect me, then its not my problem.
I've got mine attitude.
What happens when it does affect you and everyone
has your attitude?.......
Hunters better wake the he$$ up!!!

What's your solution? Have the fish and game departments manage the game in their state with a focus on benefitting people who live elsewhere? It seems like you have a misplaced sense of entitlement.

My understanding of these proposals is there will still be OTC elk tags available, you'll just have to be on the ball to get them. Compare that to Idaho's neighbors in MT and WY, where you will pay more and not have OTC tags available if you want to hunt elk.

 

[wind gypsy]

I can and will afford to go elk hunting regardless of price of the tag. But sad to see others being priced out, as some friends of mine have been.

We as supposed to be recruiting new/ younger hunters, and the price is getting to the point that a young hunter in their 20s-40s raising a family is hard pressed to make this work. I have had friends like that go with me and because I am going anyway, didn't charge for gas, etc. because I wanted them to go and I spent the same amount whether they went or not. But along the way, the tag prices have gotten to where they can't justify it any more.

Yes, you can always rationalize that they can "cut corners" all year and make it work, but when you have a wife and 2-3 kids that need stuff, that logic doesn't work. Supply and demand is not the way to price wildlife tags IMO.

When I look at new hunter recruitment, expensive and logistically challenging out of state hunts for species where participation and demand is growing (Western elk/muley/antelope) isn't where I'd look to improve things.

 

[GregB]

I can and will afford to go elk hunting regardless of price of the tag. But sad to see others being priced out, as some friends of mine have been.

We as supposed to be recruiting new/ younger hunters, and the price is getting to the point that a young hunter in their 20s-40s raising a family is hard pressed to make this work. I have had friends like that go with me and because I am going anyway, didn't charge for gas, etc. because I wanted them to go and I spent the same amount whether they went or not. But along the way, the tag prices have gotten to where they can't justify it any more.

Yes, you can always rationalize that they can "cut corners" all year and make it work, but when you have a wife and 2-3 kids that need stuff, that logic doesn't work. Supply and demand is not the way to price wildlife tags IMO.

Take them hunting in the state they live in. Recruiting new hunters doesn’t mean they have to go elk hunting.

 

[jspradley]

We are turning in to Europe. Hunting the Kings deer, where only the rich can hunt. Residents don't care cause it doesn't affect them, that's how the F&G get away with it.

Tags themselves are one of the least expensive parts of hunting, travel and gear tend to run way more than the tags themselves.

One thing I have learned is that we as hunters will brag endlessly about how we paid up to bring our wildlife resources back from the brink of extinction but good lawd we will also bitch and moan when we are asked to keep paying for it.

 

[KurtR]

I can and will afford to go elk hunting regardless of price of the tag. But sad to see others being priced out, as some friends of mine have been.

We as supposed to be recruiting new/ younger hunters, and the price is getting to the point that a young hunter in their 20s-40s raising a family is hard pressed to make this work. I have had friends like that go with me and because I am going anyway, didn't charge for gas, etc. because I wanted them to go and I spent the same amount whether they went or not. But along the way, the tag prices have gotten to where they can't justify it any more.

Yes, you can always rationalize that they can "cut corners" all year and make it work, but when you have a wife and 2-3 kids that need stuff, that logic doesn't work. Supply and demand is not the way to price wildlife tags IMO.

its a choice they made to have a wife and two or three kids. I bet there is plenty of stuff to hunt in the home state. I have wanted to hunt elk for years but didnt get to go till i was 38 for the first time had to sell a boat and make a choice on what i wanted more. Tag prices are cheap when you compare it to every thing else. Its like people saying they hunt for meat because it is cheaper doing the math proves it generally is not.

 

[bluetick78]

Take them hunting in the state they live in. Recruiting new hunters doesn’t mean they have to go elk hunting.

Exactly. Everyone is crying that the hunter numbers are declining East of the Mississippi, and hunter numbers are skyrocketing across the West. Sounds like Eastern hunters need to recruit more of their neighbors to hunt in their home states, not to come hunt elbow to elbow in OTC western states. Go get em.

 

[87TT]

Not everyone has the right to hunt out of state. Before when I lived in another state, I only hunted out of state five times in over 40 years. I hunted where I lived and lived it vicariously through forums and reading. If I had wanted more, I would have figured a way. The DFG in Idaho works hard to provide opportunity for hunters and fishermen. Their priority is for the people of Idaho as it should be. They are one of the more generous states. Just look at disabled vet license and tag fees. Even for NR. As we get more people moving in, they have to look out for the residents first while keeping opportunities for NR. The modest increases they are proposing and caps on some units are very reasonable and anyone who thinks otherwise should probably stay home or go elsewhere.

 

[jmez]

Are tags really that expensive? What does it cost for tickets to go to the Disney theme parks for a week? How about an NFL football game for about 4 hours on a Sunday? $700 for a WY elk tag that is good for 30 days comparatively seems like a pretty good deal.

 

[Ross]

I’ve been hunting north Idaho since 1980 the panhandle back in the 80s you had few archery hunters but rifle hunting you had camps all over of 5-10 guys they were meat hunters the season ran 10/1 till the end of the month and cows open the entire time camp would routinely bag 3 plus elk every year and there was a lot of packing...hunter numbers were three fold or more what they were then the good old days gone

 

[jspradley]

Are tags really that expensive? What does it cost for tickets to go to the Disney theme parks for a week? How about an NFL football game for about 4 hours on a Sunday? $700 for a WY elk tag that is good for 30 days comparatively seems like a pretty good deal.

Well after I buy my $1500 bow, $3000 binos, $600 camo suit, $800 pack, $75/night hotel room, $400 in gas for my $50,000 truck I really cant afford to hunt!!!