Idaho Files Criminal Complaint Against Ryan Lampers Over Trophy Deer, Lion, and Wolf Cases

[bergie]

Definitely and grittys films are the best I have seen.
Not a fanboy of anyone but i will give him that,how he narrates and tells the story.

I used to really like his and Lampers stuff but I quit watching when his buddy got popped for poaching. All I will watch now is the newer guys with no sponsors and admittedly crappy production. Once people start trying to sell me the 'best boots, rifle, tent' they go into the influencer bucket and I won't watch any more.

I find it hard to believe if these accusations are true that this is Lampers first foray into poaching. Right or wrong I have to assume Gritty knew and was either complacent or involved in some others.

 

[el_jefe_pescado]

Didn’t gritty (and maybe lampers) get in trouble for not possessing a special use permit for filming on public land? I seem to recall that a few years ago.

Folks profiting off public land via their videos *without permits* is one of my pet peeves.

State and Federal agencies will never have the capacity to effectively enforce those regulations but it seems like a golden opportunity to curtail some of the “influencer” related pressure we see.


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[BBob]

Didn’t gritty (and maybe lampers) get in trouble for not possessing a special use permit for filming on public land? I seem to recall that a few years ago.

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Feb 10, 2021

I can't listen to Brian. Care to offer a brief synopsis?

I can give my point of view. He basically got in trouble for filming hunts without a film permit. They showed up at his house. They gave him a ticket because he was not there for 3 weeks. He was pissed because he knew the rules and basically his brand got bigger and he never got the permits. So he basically pled that he was innocent by ignorance.

Then he proceed to get made because the feds make it so hard to get a film permit and bitched about the method. Had a guy on there agree to what he was saying. Then I turned...

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[CMF]

Folks profiting off public land via their videos *without permits* is one of my pet peeves.

Really? To video... I don't think we need more permits for $ht

 

[CorbLand]

Really? To video... I don't think we need more permits for $ht

Technically, it wouldn’t be more permits. You have had to have them for sometime now.

It’s only if you are going to monetize the video.

 

[bowkill]

In my opinion, these are the guys that should get the stiffest penalties. If your neighbor gets life in prison for poaching a deer, how many people really hear about it? But if some influencer gets popped with a big penalty/sentence for poaching or law-breaking, there are a lot more people that are going to see it and think that maybe there actually is a penalty for breaking the law.

 

[el_jefe_pescado]

Really? To video... I don't think we need more permits for $ht

I don’t disagree. Government bureaucracy is ridiculous.

Problem is everyone else operating commercially on most public land functions under a regulated permit system (grazing, guiding for hunting, fishing, horseback riding, skiing, mountain biking, snowmobiling, dogsledding, film projects etc.).

My point and pipe dream is a YouTube creator selling a “content” on public land should be held to the same kind of standard.


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[el_jefe_pescado]

Post in thread 'GRITTY - FILM PERMITS - YOUR THOUGHTS?'

Feb 10, 2021

I can't listen to Brian. Care to offer a brief synopsis?

I can give my point of view. He basically got in trouble for filming hunts without a film permit. They showed up at his house. They gave him a ticket because he was not there for 3 weeks. He was pissed because he knew the rules and basically his brand got bigger and he never got the permits. So he basically pled that he was innocent by ignorance.

Then he proceed to get made because the feds make it so hard to get a film permit and bitched about the method. Had a guy on there agree to what he was saying. Then I turned...

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Thanks Bob.


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[Rizzy]

Doesn't Idaho contribute funds to the "reimbursement" that F4WM provides?
Would that make an issue on the reimbursement paperwork fraudulent and a felony against the state?

This whole case has a strong vibe of animosity and I can see how things would escalate.....

 

[Idaho4x4Bronco]

Never, there is plenty of them that have got caught (gritty,bowmar,greentree) they all still have plenty of ball worshippers and other DB’s in the hunting industry that will tell you how great of a guy they are.

What did Gritty do? Or are you referring to the film permit thing?

 

[2531usmc]

I used to really like his and Lampers stuff but I quit watching when his buddy got popped for poaching. All I will watch now is the newer guys with no sponsors and admittedly crappy production. Once people start trying to sell me the 'best boots, rifle, tent' they go into the influencer bucket and I won't watch any more.

I find it hard to believe if these accusations are true that this is Lampers first foray into poaching. Right or wrong I have to assume Gritty knew and was either complacent or involved in some others.

The you tube hunting & fishing videos random people post are 1000 times better than the commercial/influencer productions.

 

[NMJM]

Then there's a big difference in military vs civilization prosecuter (elected solicitor) who has no intention of trying a case with a 20% chance of losing.

It also greatly depends on the jurisdiction and the individual judge. In the courts where I have a little bit of experience the judges will allow the prosecution one or maybe two continuances if they are not ready. By the 3rd time the case will get dismissed. If the defense is not ready they get almost unlimited continuances. It is very unlikely a judge would force a defendant to go to trial if they say they are not ready. But again my experience is in one jurisdiction and I'm sure it is different across the country.

 

[ReaptheHeat]

I watched the Muley Freak recent mule deer video as I previously hunted with that outfitter and wanted to see if the outfitter was still a shit show (turns out they are), and the entire video made me want to vomit. I think the kids call it "cringe".

I watched that one too...Talk about embarrassing for the outfitter yet it will drum up business with the YT crowd. And missing shots and taking 1000 yard shots. I felt bad for that deer.

 

[Andrew12gauge]

What did Gritty do? Or are you referring to the film permit thing?

Poached a wolf without a tag in Idaho if I remember correctly


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[Idaho4x4Bronco]

Poached a wolf without a tag in Idaho if I remember correctly


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Brian did?

 

[Britt-dog]

My understanding is he shot a wolf but didn’t have a wolf tag. Legally he could have put his elk tag on it, but his elk hunt would be over. He chose to run to town and buy a wolf tag instead. He was found out after the fact.

If my recollection of that is wrong someone please correct me. Someone here probably knows the story.

 

[ImBillT]

My understanding is he shot a wolf but didn’t have a wolf tag. Legally he could have put his elk tag on it, but his elk hunt would be over. He chose to run to town and buy a wolf tag instead. He was found out after the fact.

If my recollection of that is wrong someone please correct me. Someone here probably knows the story.

IIRC Gritty arrowed the wolf, felt like it was a fatal shot, and failed to “find” it, but admitted to not looking too hard. Had he found the wolf, he would have been legally required to put his elk tag on it. This did not have to be the end of his elk hunt, because at the time you could buy two elk tags. He claimed he was going to town anyway, and chose to buy a wolf tag instead of a second elk tag. The next day I think he arrowed a bull and found the wolf.

Had he purchased a second elk tag, then “found” the wolf, he would have been completely legal. Had he found the wolf and tagged it with his elk tag, then purchased a second elk tag, he could have continued his hunt and been completely legal. Buying the wolf tag instead of the elk tag would only indicate legal behavior if he believed he had it killed or would not recover the wolf he already shot “at”, and thought he might encounter another. Looking for the wolf he knew he shot the day before, AFTER killing an elk, but possessing only one elk tag, definitely shows that he likely intended to tag a previous kill with a new tag, and that’s exactly what he admitted to.

I hope that I would do better in that situation. Honestly I could see myself talking myself into the same choice. It’s dark, I’m cold, I can’t find the wolf, “I’ll just look tomorrow, but I need to go get another elk tag. Wait a wolf tag is $25 and a second elk tag is $750? One of them is going on a wolf if I ever find the wolf. Should I just get the wolf tag? Idaho doesn’t want $750 for a wolf. They want you to shoot the wolf right?” Not legal. Not okay. Shouldn’t do it. But I can see how I could talk myself into it if I wasn’t careful. I pulled the tag prices out of thin air. At the end of the day, Gritty was either willing to pay elk price for the wolf when he let the arrow go, or he planned to cheat the system from the beginning. I’m sure it was hard to keep that in mind when handing over the cash though.

That would all be taking him at his word. Who knows. Maybe he recovered the wolf the day he shot it and stashed it to save money. I don’t know.

 

[Idaho4x4Bronco]

A few folks have had the claims against Gritty, but is there proof of that anywhere or a video Brian did? Not arguing against anyone or defending Brian, for the record, but would like to see something a little more firm for my own mind.

 

[Pacific_Fork]

It would be far better to keep this thread on track please. Mods have a well known history of locking threads when they derail off the subject. Anyone wanting to talk about Gritty needs to start or bump past gritty threads.