Idaho 2023-2024 Seasons Proposals

[Customweld]

IFG will start releasing proposals for the '23 and '24 seasons this week. I don't think there are any radical changes in the cooker. Are you planning to attend any open houses? What would you like to see implemented?

 

[eye_zick]

1. Make the IDFG Director an elected position (currently hand picked by governor). Same with commissioners.

2. Post detailed minutes of all meetings (not just an agenda).

3. Revisions to governor and landowner tags - put them on the books (how many per unit etc). Limit land owner tags to their private property.

4. All controlled hunts draw due by May 5th. Draw results due by May 25th.

I prefer quality of quantity, and I know this puts me in the minority of hunters...

Generally - implement similar measures for residents deer tags as NR tags.

5. Incorporate elk zones as deer zones, make residents choose a zone. Stop OTC resident tags, but allow them as 1st choice draw. Apply for that deer tag by zone. If youre not a resident by the draw due date you're SOL.

IDK - but I lean to revising capped elk archery - reduce archery season, make an early and a late archery tag, splitting tags in half.

6. Remove all exemptions to motorized hunting rule units, unless its not legal then allow ADA. (no camping, game retrieval etc)

7. Major revisions to youth hunting. Make all 'general' season opportunities preceded by a 2 day youth only hunt, include DAV, disabled.

8. Require all big game tags to have "CWD endorsement" - $5 - an online/inperson class about IDFG CWD plan. make it short, make it have a test. *Unit 14 had hunters completely unaware of CWD reg changes. This is how CWD spreads... Earmark fees to CWD management.

9. Require all landowners to allow hunting on their property before seeking any damage compensation from big game.

10. Go to a points system.

https://collaboration.idfg.idaho.gov/WildlifeTechnicalReports/IDFG%20Hunter%20Crowding%202019.pdf

Look at the study of perceived overcrowding and low satisfaction. This was published in 2019. Yet IDFG has done little to address the overcrowding and low satisfaction.

 

[TheTone]

1. Look at some of the crummy politicians we elect; do you think we would have anything different in elected director or commissioners?

3. That info is already in the book and pretty easy to see, are you just wanting a list of who got them? Personally I’d like to see them have a waiting period like other hunts, especially if they’re transferred

8. There was a ton of info on cwd test needs. If people didn’t know it’s because they avoided knowing

9. Talk with your elected officials; they’re the ones that have made that requirement less and less when they’ve held department bills hostage

10. Please no, it’s been studied to death and it’s basically a failure. Look at how almost every state with a point system is constantly looking for changes to them do to user unhappiness. P

 

[IdahoBeav]

Yeah, a points system would be nothing short of a disaster, just as it is in the states that use one.

I remember 4 years ago when IDFG invited the public to an open house discussion on the deer plan. About 8 or 10 people showed up to the meeting in Nampa. Unfortunately, complaining online amongst each other is much more popular than in-person discussion with IDFG.

 

[ID_Matt]

Points system would be a complete disaster.

As for draw odds, I would be OK with a longer wait period after drawing on certain hunts (not unlimited or high odds hunts)

For the crowding complaints, I really have a tough time. Seems like us residents like to complain about our spots being over ran and generally blame it on those pesky non-res hunters, yet with fish and games new rule it should only be 10% of total hunters that are non-res right?? Correct me if I am wrong there. Having residents pick a zone for deer might help out a bit with crowding. I really don't know how to correct the crowding complains. I am a fan of opportunity over quality. I would rather get to hunt every single year in a crowded area then have to wait my turn every other year.

 

[eye_zick]

1. Look at some of the crummy politicians we elect; do you think we would have anything different in elected director or commissioners?

3. That info is already in the book and pretty easy to see, are you just wanting a list of who got them? Personally I’d like to see them have a waiting period like other hunts, especially if they’re transferred

8. There was a ton of info on cwd test needs. If people didn’t know it’s because they avoided knowing

9. Talk with your elected officials; they’re the ones that have may that requirement less and less when they’ve held department bulls hostage

10. Please no, it’s been studied to death and it’s basically a failure. Look at how almost every state with a point system is constantly looking for changes to them do to user unhappiness. P

1. great point, we certainly elect some losers, but given the allusion of choice is more appealing than having none, after all is this the point of the American system.

3. I guess I am blind, a little help here?

8. That's the point, they avoided knowing. We cannot trust them to self inform... They didn't follow the revised regulations for the unit.

9. Elaborate?

10. Perhaps this is an impasse, but any 'failure' of a points system is not corrected by a random draw. There are too many benefits of a points system. The only benefit of a random draw is you have as much opportunity to draw as the guy that's been putting in for 20 years. The points system 'failures' are an expected outcome of increased hunter demand. The random draw instead sees draw odds plummet. A 1% random draw odds mean the average hunter will never draw that hunt in their life.

 

[Pacific_Fork]

With all due respect you have to be pretty clueless to offer up a point system suggestion in 2023. Try and point to a state where it is successful past 2010. I’ve personally drawn two LE tags in the last 3 years that I would never be able to draw with a point system. Same story on friends, I always know someone with a good tag. Never mind how screwed the younger generations would be. The big 3 you’d never see what you see now, some units are higher odds than states where a guy has 25 points. Sorry, thank god the majority of voices and the IDFG themselves know they we will never implement a point system in ID.

Edit: I like a lot of your other points though!

 

[bow puller]

10. Perhaps this is an impasse, but any 'failure' of a points system is not corrected by a random draw. There are too many benefits of a points system. The only benefit of a random draw is you have as much opportunity to draw as the guy that's been putting in for 20 years. The points system 'failures' are an expected outcome of increased hunter demand. The random draw instead sees draw odds plummet. A 1% random draw odds mean the average hunter will never draw that hunt in their life.

A guy putting in 20yrs has had 20x the chances. Implement points and every person that ever thought of hunting will be in on the ground floor. Youth and new hunters will be SOL. Draw odds will plummet.

A person might get lucky and draw the one premium tag he wanted then that's it.

 

[IdahoBeav]

Points system would be a complete disaster.

As for draw odds, I would be OK with a longer wait period after drawing on certain hunts (not unlimited or high odds hunts)

For the crowding complaints, I really have a tough time. Seems like us residents like to complain about our spots being over ran and generally blame it on those pesky non-res hunters, yet with fish and games new rule it should only be 10% of total hunters that are non-res right?? Correct me if I am wrong there. Having residents pick a zone for deer might help out a bit with crowding. I really don't know how to correct the crowding complains. I am a fan of opportunity over quality. I would rather get to hunt every single year in a crowded area then have to wait my turn every other year.

IMO, there are a few buck and bull controlled hunts that should be OIL.

 

[ID_Matt]

10. Perhaps this is an impasse, but any 'failure' of a points system is not corrected by a random draw. There are too many benefits of a points system. The only benefit of a random draw is you have as much opportunity to draw as the guy that's been putting in for 20 years. The points system 'failures' are an expected outcome of increased hunter demand. The random draw instead sees draw odds plummet. A 1% random draw odds mean the average hunter will never draw that hunt in their life.

What are the benefits of the points system?

There are only a few 1-3% odds hunts in Idaho that I can think of, and the guys that put in for those and don't draw are generally the ones that complain they "haven't drawn in 7 years, this system is rigged!" There are a good number of decent hunts in idaho with 10-20% odds, seems someone in my group every year always draws a decent tag. If we had a point system, how many points/years of applying would it take to draw one of the coveted tags that people complain about not drawing.... say a 40 early rifle elk, or 54 muzzy?

I like this article regarding points:

https://blog.eastmans.com/the-myth-of-preference-points/

 

[S.Clancy]

IMO, there are a few buck and bull controlled hunts that should be OIL.

This is where we need to start going. Either wait periods or having a tag be a once in a lifetime tag. MT needs to do this as well

 

[ID_Matt]

IMO, there are a few buck and bull controlled hunts that should be OIL.

I am sure I could name off the ones you are talking about, and I wouldn't disagree. But there are some that are fairly easy to draw so shouldn't have too long of wait period.

 

[sneaky]

1. Make the IDFG Director an elected position (currently hand picked by governor). Same with commissioners.

2. Post detailed minutes of all meetings (not just an agenda).

3. Revisions to governor and landowner tags - put them on the books (how many per unit etc). Limit land owner tags to their private property.

4. All controlled hunts draw due by May 5th. Draw results due by May 25th.

I prefer quality of quantity, and I know this puts me in the minority of hunters...

Generally - implement similar measures for residents deer tags as NR tags.

5. Incorporate elk zones as deer zones, make residents choose a zone. Stop OTC resident tags, but allow them as 1st choice draw. Apply for that deer tag by zone. If youre not a resident by the draw due date you're SOL.

IDK - but I lean to revising capped elk archery - reduce archery season, make an early and a late archery tag, splitting tags in half.

6. Remove all exemptions to motorized hunting rule units, unless its not legal then allow ADA. (no camping, game retrieval etc)

7. Major revisions to youth hunting. Make all 'general' season opportunities preceded by a 2 day youth only hunt, include DAV, disabled.

8. Require all big game tags to have "CWD endorsement" - $5 - an online/inperson class about IDFG CWD plan. make it short, make it have a test. *Unit 14 had hunters completely unaware of CWD reg changes. This is how CWD spreads... Earmark fees to CWD management.

9. Require all landowners to allow hunting on their property before seeking any damage compensation from big game.

10. Go to a points system.

https://collaboration.idfg.idaho.gov/WildlifeTechnicalReports/IDFG%20Hunter%20Crowding%202019.pdf

Look at the study of perceived overcrowding and low satisfaction. This was published in 2019. Yet IDFG has done little to address the overcrowding and low satisfaction.

Ummmm.... not only no, but hell no to about 90% of what you listed. You trying to turn Idaho into Utah or Colorado? IDFG doesn't make the decision on motorized access for units, so good luck getting all exemptions removed when that affects non hunting user groups. You went off the rails on a bunch of these "wants".

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[sram9102]

Can we separate deer/elk non-resident tag sales into two separate days?

Please no points system. I already feel behind in the states I have points in.

 

[DAOutfitters208]

A guy putting in 20yrs has had 20x the chances. Implement points and every person that ever thought of hunting will be in on the ground floor. Youth and new hunters will be SOL. Draw odds will plummet.

A person might get lucky and draw the one premium tag he wanted then that's it.

You have 20 reminders that you are unlucky. Idaho has a very fair system. Your name is in the hat 1 time for one critter. Your draw rates are much higher right now. Go look at Washington and let me know how that worked out. Having max points doesn't guarantee a draw there and it never will.

 

[bow puller]

You have 20 reminders that you are unlucky. Idaho has a very fair system. Your name is in the hat 1 time for one critter. Your draw rates are much higher right now. Go look at Washington and let me know how that worked out. Having max points doesn't guarantee a draw there and it never will.

Look at the quote I replied to. I was referring to the poster wanting points and explaining that we are already rewarded for putting in for years. I am very glad Idaho held out long enough to see the crap show points are.

 

[eye_zick]

Yeah, a points system would be nothing short of a disaster, just as it is in the states that use one.

I remember 4 years ago when IDFG invited the public to an open house discussion on the deer plan. About 8 or 10 people showed up to the meeting in Nampa. Unfortunately, complaining online amongst each other is much more popular than in-person discussion with IDFG.

A missed point form another thread - no one shows to the meetings because little to nothing comes from them. Make them matter, make changes expeditiously. Just a few examples they took 5 years to reduce doe hunting, 20 years to incorporate illuminated nocks.

Another point, 2019 UofI survey to address crowding and low satisfaction. Still nothing changed. Tell me again how attending these meetings is meaningful. Now they have our opinions and still, here we are...

 

[DAOutfitters208]

Look at the quote I replied to. I was referring to the poster wanting points and explaining that we are already rewarded for putting in for years. I am very glad Idaho held out long enough to see the crap show points are.

I blame being distracted by a zoom meeting for not reading that closer. My bad!

 

[Z Barebow]

If a point system were the answer, I would sure like to know the question! I am not aware of any point system that is "successful". (Unless you are the state collecting revenue or an applicant who gets in on day 1. All other subsequent applicants suck hind tit.) For anyone who thinks a point system is great, put down the whiskey. You have had enough.

I agree with poster who suggested separating the days for deer and elk applications. The Commodore 64 based computer system cannot handle the the volume of potential applicants.

 

[87TT]

Ummmm.... not only no, but hell no to about 90% of what you listed. You trying to turn Idaho into Utah or Colorado? IDFG doesn't make the decision on motorized access for units, so good luck getting all exemptions removed when that affects non hunting user groups. You went off the rails on a bunch of these "wants".

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