I thought this was public land?

[CorbLand]

I see this all the time, ranchers closing the only county road to access a different property

Happened to a kid I use to work with in Nevada. Him and his friends were riding dirt bikes in the evening and the land owner strung a rope across the public road. Caught him in the neck and he damn near bled out. They figure if the rope had been tighter he would have been decapitated.

 

[MTtrout]

My most favorite one from UT read something like this: if you enter this area then you are just like the UT DWR and are considered communist. Turns out from my colleagues at the DWR is that this owner was also outfitting that area.

 

[Bluefish]

I have only heard of one case where a landowner closed a “road” legally. His land was inside a national forest and was patent land, ie granted directly from the federal government, not from the state. There was never an easement for the road and he got tired of people cutting his fences and trespassing. He closed the road and the local government took him to court. He won. Road stayed closed until he sold the place. Only reason he won was due to it being patent land.

 

[wapitibob]

this Bill passed today from what I see

 

[Larry Bartlett]

When I lived in Co Springs during the Army years, there was a local rancher i fished with who loved to hunt a specific patch of public "wilderness" and he hired young guys to ride "his range" on horses and post Private Land No Trespass signs all over the freakin place. Paid them $10/sign for new ones and $5/sign to repost ones torn down or fallen, and also said it had worked to keep the "rifraf" out for 20 years so far! He'd have them post 'em 100 yards apart over a poke of land mass circumference the whole month of June around his stampin grounds. Man that was in the early 1990s so imagine this mentality and reach roughly 30 years later. Crazy what some folk will do for protecting "their" privileges.

 

[Blowdowner]

The sign should have to be 100 ft away from the public intersection/access point.

 

[Way Overkill]

Hunting apps are fortunately making this less of an issue and allowing hunters to have more confidence in where boundaries and public land are.

 

[Matt Cashell]

There is a bill going through the Montana Legislature to significantly increase the fines:

https://leg.mt.gov/bills/2023/billpdf/HB0486.pdf

 

[Titan_Bow]

A spot I hunt in Colorado, the opposite happens. There is a jeep trail that dead ends at a gate and posted signs. ONX shows it as private property. The jeep trail continues up the mountain for several miles into a large portion of NF and designated wilderness.
I can box around the road on foot to get way back into huntable public land. Several people would do this, but overall the pressure was relatively light, and the hunting was good. However, the last several years, people are just driving around the gate with ATVs, and driving deep into the NF and stopping at the wilderness boundary. CPW has even posted the Jeep trail but people just go around it. In the last two years, there’s now trashed camp sites, lots more hunters, and the elk are not in this area like they were just a few years prior.
I’m not for someone posting public land if it’s truly public, but people in general have little respect for things that don’t belong to them. I hate landlocked public land, but I’m not going to break the law, trespass on someone’s land, or tear up their gates and road, thinking that I am somehow entitled to it.


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[dirtytough]

This is already illegal in Montana, but the penalties are too lenient. A small fine just isn’t enough of a deterrent. People falsely posting public lands are often “people of means” and find the risk vs. reward worth it.

I know of a few places in ND that have public posted with no trespassing signs. One spot is with the governors no trespassing sign. He owns the private next to the public. I’m sure there won’t be much of a fine for the governor ha

 

[WCB]

Hunting ND rifle season I had to drive about 1 mile down a open section line to get to some Natl' Grasslands. A second section line went right and bordered the Natl Grasslands...it is where I was going to park. Right before the corner here is a Pig Wire fence coming from fence line to fence line across the section line. I know the section line was publicly accessible 100%. Out came the bolt cutters I had in my tool box. Snip Snap through the wire panels aside and continued on my way.

I contacted G&F they said they'd check it out and said it was probably an attempt to keep livestock from getting down the section line. I instantly called B.S. and stated well then maybe the rancher should shut the gate to his pasture or fix his fence.

The sign should have to be 100 ft away from the public intersection/access point.

? why....so guess can trample all over that 100' of private property. I 100% do not support wrongly posted land or closing roads/trails but basically making a landowner forfeit 100' at or along any access point? NO...land should be properly posted ON the property line.

 

[NorthIDHunter]

I believe in Washington landowners aren't even required to post private property.

 

[Dos Perros]

That would seem a breech of 1st Amendment? It is not illegal to lie.

 

[Sccritterkiller]

Waste of legislature time if you ask me...10 years from now I will be surprised if there were a dozen convictions..I have seen public posted a few times in WY but I just ignore them and go about my hunt.

 

[wytx]

The sign should have to be 100 ft away from the public intersection/access point.

Then folks would use the 100 ft for access through private.

 

[dtrkyman]

Unfortunately it works the other way here in New Mexico…folks tear down legit no trespassing signs and wardens can’t enforce!


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[Matt Cashell]

That would seem a breech of 1st Amendment? It is not illegal to lie.

Interesting take.

Of course it is illegal to lie in many situations.

Statements under oath, false reports, fraud, obstruction, criminal defamation, etc.

 

[Reburn]

That would seem a breech of 1st Amendment? It is not illegal to lie.

What’s funny about that is it’s NOT ILLEGAL for the police to lie when they interrogate you.

 

[Dos Perros]

Interesting take.

Of course it is illegal to lie in many situations.

Statements under oath, false reports, fraud, obstruction, criminal defamation, etc.

Ok. But putting a sign on your own land doesn't meet any of the criteria you referenced; so, irrelevant.

 

[Dos Perros]

Imagine the government telling you that you can't say what you want to say ON YOUR OWN LAND.