I hear baldwin walked....

[D S 319]

Eddie Gallagher went through way worse for hear say about a terrorist in the Middle East. Make it make sense.

 

[FLATHEAD]

They still have to fire blanks with real primers and powder inside.

That could/should be done separately without anyone standing
in front of the real gun.
Or surely it could be simulated.

 

[rayporter]

the line of custody was screwed up because he had the armorer doing something else. to save money.

 

[MuleyFever]

Info regarding the gun.

Gun in fatal on-set 'Rust' shooting was mechanically improper, source says

The decision to drop charges against Alec Baldwin over the fatal "Rust" shooting was made after investigators found the gun was mechanically improper, a source said.

abcnews.go.com

 

[PurpleDriver]

Movie set or not many standard rules of shooting a weapon should still apply.

he was handed a gun, knew he’d point it in the direction of another human, and failed to check the ammunition. He is culpable at a minimum, but he now has to live with killing an innocent human being. Different set of rules for him obviously.

 

[GSPHUNTER]

If someone hands you a firearm and tells you it is loaded with blanks, and YOU, don't verify it, and you shoot someone, It's on you. Never. ever. trust anyone.

 

[Jon Boy]

I really hate that guy and it pains me to say it, but I don't think it was his fault. It's a movie, it's supposed to be fake. Is some nitwit actor supposed to check every round and make sure it's not live? What if you're shooting Rambo 10 and he fires 50k rounds by the end of the movie? How about a mini gun or a belt fed machine gun? They have no idea what to look for. I can see him being responsible since it was his movie and they were messing around with live ammo after they were done shooting the movie but he shouldn't have had to worry about live rounds in what is supposed to be pretend. With CGI they shouldn't even be using real guns in movies anyway.

I'm with you on all of that. Kind of surprised by everyone's reaction on it. And that comes from another Baldwin hater.

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[EastHumboldt]

Am I the only one that thinks it’s asinine that they’re continuing production? If you wondered what kind of man Baldwin truly is, here’s your sign. It disgusts me and I hope theaters, networks and people band together and boycott this movie.

People get killed at work all the time. Usually because somebody was stupid (as in this case). I’ve spent a career in manufacturing, maintenance, and construction. In most cases the show must go on, even if somebody gets killed. Should we boycott every business, product, or project where someone got killed?

 

[Ucsdryder]

People get killed at work all the time. Usually because somebody was stupid (as in this case). I’ve spent a career in manufacturing, maintenance, and construction. In most cases the show must go on, even if somebody gets killed. Should we boycott every business, product, or project where someone got killed?

If you can’t see the difference in somebody being killing in manufacturing/maintenance vs shot and killed in a movie scene then I can’t help you.

 

[AZ_Hunter_2000]

People get killed at work all the time. Usually because somebody was stupid (as in this case). I’ve spent a career in manufacturing, maintenance, and construction. In most cases the show must go on, even if somebody gets killed. Should we boycott every business, product, or project where someone got killed?

An argument could be made that if the the individual that pulled the proverbial trigger directly profited from that business(es), yet is an ardent advocate for its elimination, then "yes" they should be boycotted.

 

[EastHumboldt]

If you can’t see the difference in somebody being killing in manufacturing/maintenance vs shot and killed in a movie scene then I can’t help you.

All of the businesses I mentioned are run to sell people something they want to buy, for a profit. Movies are made for profit. So, no I dont See the difference.

 

[Yoder]

Movie set or not many standard rules of shooting a weapon should still apply.

he was handed a gun, knew he’d point it in the direction of another human, and failed to check the ammunition. He is culpable at a minimum, but he now has to live with killing an innocent human being. Different set of rules for him obviously.

Like I said before. Your filming Rambo 10. Numb nutz actor that knows nothing about firearms is shooting 50k rounds from a belt fed machine gun. He should inspect every round? That should be left up to an expert. They also need to stop using real guns in movies (which is pretty standard).

 

[Bluefish]

While probably not a popular opinion, Baldwin as an actor is probably not guilty of manslaughter as he was told the gun was ”cold”. While gun people will agree, you should never take someone’s word for that, on a movie set, that’s the armorers job to prepare the weapon based on the scene. Actors don’t know guns and most probably couldnt tell if it was safe to handle. That’s why there is an armorer to control the firearms and keep them safe.
now the questions that should be asked, where was the armorer and who presented the gun to Baldwin, who determined it was cold? I have read reports that the armorer was not there, so how could they maintain control of the revolver and ensure it was not loaded? If not there, why? If the producer handed it off, did they actually check to see if it was properly prepared for the scene? many failures of standard movie practice on how to handle firearms. In the end those failures could make Baldwin the producer guilty.
the fbi evaluated the gun and it was not broken and functioned as designed until they broke it or so I have read. That makes the abc report suspect.

 

[Brooks]

New Mexico liberals don’t won’t one of their own being convicted. Baldwin had the gun, it was his responsibility to take 3 seconds and check his firearm. Anyone with half a brain knows when a firearm is handed to you it is now up to you to check it and handle it properly. I guess that women’s life wasn’t worth anything.Baldwin is now finishing up his movie like nothing ever happened. NM liberals suck!

 

[TSAMP]

Hopefully the former prosecutor's reads this thread. Should be a open and shut case in a matter of minutes once those idiots see what we've sorted out.

 

[rayporter]

the armorer was outside and no where near the gun because he had her setting props or some such. no telling how many people handled it after she checked it-- if she checked it. the moron that handed it to him and yelled "cold gun" was a moron for not checking it.

and of course they say the trigger was bad but he still had to cock the hammer.[they leave that out]

 

[GSPHUNTER]

the armorer was outside and no where near the gun because he had her setting props or some such. no telling how many people handled it after she checked it-- if she checked it. the moron that handed it to him and yelled "cold gun" was a moron for not checking it.

and of course they say the trigger was bad but he still had to cock the hammer.[they leave that out]

100% on cocking the trigger. Single action gun. Cock it, pull tigger. So was it handed to him already cocked??? Kind of doubt it.

 

[PurpleDriver]

Like I said before. Your filming Rambo 10. Numb nutz actor that knows nothing about firearms is shooting 50k rounds from a belt fed machine gun. He should inspect every round? That should be left up to an expert. They also need to stop using real guns in movies (which is pretty standard).

I hear you and recognize some may feel that way. I just don’t agree.

If I’m taking an inexperienced person out to shoot, they will know how to recognize proper ammo and firearm handling. Or at least be exposed to that thought process when shooting with me.

Just my $.02 based on my training and life experience.

 

[Brooks]

I was in a gun shop last weekend. I asked the guy behind the counter to see a Glock 23 that was in the gun case. He pulled it out and checked it, handed it to me and I checked to make sure it was clear even though I just watched him check it. As I was looking at it and talking to him another customer wandered over and joined the conversation after a few minutes I handed it to the other customer as he was also interested in a Glock 23, first thing he did was checked to make sure it was clear. I thought that was how you handled every firearm.

 

[AZ_Hunter_2000]

I was in a gun shop last weekend. I asked the guy behind the counter to see a Glock 23 that was in the gun case. He pulled it out and checked it, handed it to me and I checked to make sure it was clear even though I just watched him check it. As I was looking at it and talking to him another customer wandered over and joined the conversation after a few minutes I handed it to the other customer as he was also interested in a Glock 23, first thing he did was checked to make sure it was clear. I thought that was how you handled every firearm.

That's because you and others feel that firearm safety is your personal responsibility. Actors (not just AB) believe that firearm safety is someone else's responsibility. And some prosecutors agree with that position. If you really want to see some interesting background and opinions, look up the original AB shooting thread.