I don't want Grizzlies spreading their range....There I said it

[tdhanses]

What’s with all your little underhanded comments? Dilute rokslide? Your previous comment I responded to? ….Are you from the west coast? That’s what they do, little passive aggressive comments and then act like the other party is uncivilized when they are finally called out. Basing your opinion on “ oh I’ve seen more bears than you” Then you make fun of someone trying to bring some sort of data to the conversation so it’s less abstract. That’s arguing like my 6 year old with his peers in kindergarten.

I truly appreciate peoples opinions they have provided even if they don’t agree with me. I ask these questions to understand others perspectives. Doesn’t mean I won’t debate but i want to know what I’m missing. I might leave the interaction with my opinion unchanged but I still respect the person on the other side.

Where are they preposing any bear reintroductions outside of the west?

Fact is grizzly bears original home range was in every state, we almost exterminated them due to fear and greed when you really look at it. You probably have a greater chance of being eaten by a gator in the south then a grizzly. You probably will be mauled by a black bear before a grizzly. Just because something scares someone doesn’t mean it is bad.

You have a fear of one animal, one that if reintroduced into any state it currently isn’t in you would have a needle in a haystacks chance of running into yet because it’s there you would now fear going out into the woods?

We are not belittling you just letting you know your unfounded fear isn’t shared by all. Yes there are areas with high concentrations of bears just like there are areas in India with high concentrations of tigers, releasing a few into a historical range doesn’t mean they will reproduce suddenly like rabbits.

If grizzlies were reintroduced in to CO today, it would be 50 years before there is a meaningful population. WY has always had grizz and they barely have any, yes a few areas have a high concentration but 80% of the forest there doesn’t have any or may have a random sighting.

 

[mossyoak52]

The comment “ They are supposed to be here” is debatable at the onset. Based on what? Animal ranges change constantly without human impact. So to an idealistic state in time of maximum? Also debated is whether people who want something in one state or area should be able to push it onto others. Also, how much control over our environment is allowed, where is the line? Saying bears are supposed to be here is weak to me because it disregards everything else that is continually wiped out for us to exist including wildlife and habitat. You are only applying that argument to bears but disregarding it’s relevance to everything else.

They are native to Colorado documented fact
You can Google it

 

[mossyoak52]

Where are they preposing any bear reintroductions outside of the west?

Fact is grizzly bears original home range was in every state, we almost exterminated them due to fear and greed when you really look at it. You probably have a greater chance of being eaten by a gator in the south then a grizzly. You probably will be mauled by a black bear before a grizzly. Just because something scares someone doesn’t mean it is bad.

You have a fear of one animal, one that if reintroduced into any state it currently isn’t in you would have a needle in a haystacks chance of running into yet because it’s there you would now fear going out into the woods?

We are not belittling you just letting you know your unfounded fear isn’t shared by all. Yes there are areas with high concentrations of bears just like there are areas in India with high concentrations of tigers, releasing a few into a historical range doesn’t mean they will reproduce suddenly like rabbits.

If grizzlies were reintroduced in to CO today, it would be 50 years before there is a meaningful population. WY has always had grizz and they barely have any, yes a few areas have a high concentration but 80% of the forest there doesn’t have any or may have a random sighting.

Very well said ty

 

[tdhanses]

They are native to Colorado documented fact
You can Google it

Colorado’s Last Grizzly Bear

Colorado’s Last Grizzly Bear

www.dmns.org

 

[Pikespeak]

I'm not making fun of you. Realistically, one could read your original post and compare them to trolling posts and find similarities. And yes, Rokslide has diluted over the years from the first few years of it's inception where guys came together to share hunting stories and gear failures and success. Now we have threads like this that spin in circles for pages and pages and pages- hence the "see where this goes" comment Generally speaking, its from people who have little to no experience recreating in country inhabited by bears.

I find it in a similar vein as, "New York shouldn't tell rural MT what to do with wolves" but now you're saying how States and the people of those states should handle their wildlife to make you feel safer in the woods.

If you don't like bears, then don't recreate where bears are, and work with your State to actively manage that species when they cross borders they can't read on a map.

I would wager that if you moved to MT, WY, eastern ID or AK your perception of the risk you take being mauled would greatly

Where are they preposing any bear reintroductions outside of the west?

Fact is grizzly bears original home range was in every state, we almost exterminated them due to fear and greed when you really look at it. You probably have a greater chance of being eaten by a gator in the south then a grizzly. You probably will be mauled by a black bear before a grizzly. Just because something scares someone doesn’t mean it is bad.

You have a fear of one animal, one that if reintroduced into any state it currently isn’t in you would have a needle in a haystacks chance of running into yet because it’s there you would now fear going out into the woods?

We are not belittling you just letting you know your unfounded fear isn’t shared by all. Yes there are areas with high concentrations of bears just like there are areas in India with high concentrations of tigers, releasing a few into a historical range doesn’t mean they will reproduce suddenly like rabbits.

If grizzlies were reintroduced in to CO today, it would be 50 years before there is a meaningful population. WY has always had grizz and they barely have any, yes a few areas have a high concentration but 80% of the forest there doesn’t have any or may have a random sighting.

I don’t think everyone is belittling me just a couple comments. I appreciate Slicks last reply. Also I’m referring to continued allowed expansion not managed by hunting seasons to cull them out of current range.

At the end of the day, the reason I fear them is because of the seemingly helplessness of the situation. I mentioned previously people fight off black bears, mountain lions, and wolves. Sometimes it doesn’t work out but you stand a chance. Also, there usually seems to be less surprise where the animal is following them for a while etc. I’ve read a couple books on grizzly attacks to educate myself on why they happen and the thing I picked up most was how little warning people had and there wasn’t a damn thing they could do once it started. That’s why I fear grizzlies. Hell give me an African lion that I saw coming from 40 yards away vs a grizzly popping out of the willows at 5 feet.

 

[tdhanses]

I don’t think everyone is belittling me just a couple comments. I appreciate Slicks last reply. Also I’m referring to continued allowed expansion not managed by hunting seasons to cull them out of current range.

At the end of the day, the reason I fear them is because of the seemingly helplessness of the situation. I mentioned previously people fight off black bears, mountain lions, and wolves. Sometimes it doesn’t work out but you stand a chance. Also, there usually seems to be less surprise where the animal is following them for a while etc. I’ve read a couple books on grizzly attacks to educate myself on why they happen and the thing I picked up most was how little warning people had and there wasn’t a damn thing they could do once it started. That’s why I fear grizzlies. Hell give me an African lion that I saw coming from 40 yards away vs a grizzly popping out of the willows at 5 feet.

Every year people survive grizzly attacks, in reality if a grizzly attacks it’s neutralizing a threat more often then not, if a black bear attacks it wants to eat you.

While I agree there are areas that could do with management to reduce grizzly numbers in high concentration areas I also wouldn’t be against letting their populations expand.

 

[Pikespeak]

They are native to Colorado documented fact
You can Google it

Yea I was referring to has that been for all time, I believe that animals ranges expand and contract due to climate, food supply, competition, etc. Admittedly, an abstract rabbit hole. Lol.

 

[tdhanses]

List of fatal bear attacks in North America - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[mossyoak52]

Yea I was referring to has that been for all time, I believe that animals ranges expand and contract due to climate, food supply, competition, etc. Admittedly, an abstract rabbit hole. Lol.

Ok understandable

 

[Pikespeak]

So admittedly I think we’ve debated this one fully so I have another question.

I hunt by myself, I’ve never have found a compatible hunting partner for hunting style, kids, timing etc. or maybe I debate too much. Lol

Are you guys hunting in heavy grizzly areas alone or with groups of people? I think I would be less worried if I had a hunting party of probably 4+.

 

[tdhanses]

So admittedly I think we’ve debated this one fully so I have another question.

I hunt by myself, I’ve never have found a compatible hunting partner for hunting style, kids, timing etc. or maybe I debate too much. Lol

Are you guys hunting in heavy grizzly areas alone or with groups of people? I think I would be less worried if I had a hunting party of probably 4+.

That’s something each person has to determine on their own, many solo in grizz country, I‘m not sure if I would but if say grizz were in every state that elk are in and no one wanted to hunt with then yes I would.

99% of encounters are like this for all bears

 

[mossyoak52]

So admittedly I think we’ve debated this one fully so I have another question.

I hunt by myself, I’ve never have found a compatible hunting partner for hunting style, kids, timing etc. or maybe I debate too much. Lol

Are you guys hunting in heavy grizzly areas alone or with groups of people? I think I would be less worried if I had a hunting party of probably 4+.

Just me and my wife when we hunt I carry a 454 cashull while hunting our ranch and surrounding area my wife carrys a 44 mag
Along with bear spray .
we don't hunt with groups because we don fear Grizzlies if we get attacked we understand we are in their territory and we should have paid closer attention to our surroundings

 

[BrooksRanger]

I think a lot of Alaskans like myself hunt alone. It's not for everyone, but I enjoy the solitude.
Heck, even when I'm out looking for bears to hunt in areas where they should be, and trying to be as quiet as I can I often times don't encounter them. Normally, if they smell you, hear you, or see you they are out of the country without you ever even knowing they were there. I think as has been mentioned previously your concerns over a negative bear encounter are inflated due to your lack of experience. That's not a slight, it's just reality. Spend a few years living around bears and I think you'll have a greater understanding that they aren't out to get you.

 

[Titan_Bow]

I hunt solo in Montana, Wyoming, here in Colorado. I've never been to Alaska, but I'm thinking really hard about a Kodiak blacktail hunt solo. For me, I think its invigorating to know there are predators on the landscape that could potentially eat you. Similar to jumping out of an airplane, or jumping a dirtbike, or bombing downhill on a mountain bike; any other activity that gets the andrenalin going.
Simple solution to this really, as my drill sergeant said when I was in the Army; "If you're scared, say you're scared" If you have a fear of grizzlies or other large predators, to the point where you can't enjoy yourself, then just find other places to hunt.

 

[3325]

Are you guys hunting in heavy grizzly areas alone or with groups of people?

Usually alone, although sometimes my wife is with me. One of the reasons I like to hunt is to be away from people.

I often end up leaving bags of boned out meat overnight and returning the next day with pack frames to ruck it out.

So far, no bad experiences but I know I’ve been fortunate. I don’t believe I’m being reckless but I acknowledge it’s a calculated risk.

These calculated risks of this sort are as old as hunting. Ben Lilly and James Adams hunted Grizzlies alone, Jim Corbett hunted tigers and leopards alone, Sasha Siemel hunted jaguars alone, and W.D.M. Bell hunted elephants alone. I’m going to hunt elk in Grizzly country alone.

 

[mossyoak52]

They are already in Idaho. They aren't being reintroduced anywhere.


There is a group working on getting them reintroduced to their native range in Colorado if they get their way it will be done the same way they did with wolves through the ballot box my daughter in-law owns a sizeable ranch in Colorado and that is what she is being told by a credible source and beig Colorado I don't for a second doubt it

 

[mossyoak52]

I hunt solo in Montana, Wyoming, here in Colorado. I've never been to Alaska, but I'm thinking really hard about a Kodiak blacktail hunt solo. For me, I think its invigorating to know there are predators on the landscape that could potentially eat you. Similar to jumping out of an airplane, or jumping a dirtbike, or bombing downhill on a mountain bike; any other activity that gets the andrenalin going.
Simple solution to this really, as my drill sergeant said when I was in the Army; "If you're scared, say you're scared" If you have a fear of grizzlies or other large predators, to the point where you can't enjoy yourself, then just find other places to hunt.

You defineately need to hunt Alaska will be a trip you will never forget

 

[HighUintas]

Predators that can kill us, things that bite and sting, cliffs, lightning, etc is all part of the natural world and wilderness. If I wanted to hunt danger free I'd go to the supermarket and hunt for some frozen chicken. But, then again I'd have a good chance of getting shot or shanked by some maniac, so I'd rather engage with the grizzlies.

 

[Titan_Bow]

To be honest, I would rather them reintroduce griz than wolves! If Colorado had a sizeable griz population, it might cut down on the crowding at trailheads!

 

[mossyoak52]

To be honest, I would rather them reintroduce griz than wolves! If Colorado had a sizeable griz population, it might cut down on the crowding at trailheads!

Or pollute the ground with little bells