I don't want Grizzlies spreading their range....There I said it

[WyoArk]

So assuming you live in Wyoming based off your username. If you have grizzlies where you live and you enjoy that, great. Do you think they should expand to areas of other people who you will never know or meet? Genuinely curious.

I do indeed live in wyoming. I have also lived in the bush in koyukuk for a couple of years. I guess I have just become accustomed to be around grizzly bears.

The biggest difference I have seen between bears in Alaska and bears in Wyoming is fear of man. The bears are hunted in Alaska. Unless you come up on a feeding beat/ sow and cubs/ or in my opinion the most dangerous bear a “non hibernator”, they generally run in Alaska.

In Wyoming the bears do not fear people in the slightest. I agree with management and hunting season.

Folks have to make a living and I understand that. Ranchers need to make a living and g bears make it tough on them. We have enough g bears. No need in them expanding their territory further.

I’ll be solo backpacking chasing elk in g bear country this fall. It’s a calculated risk, but I am far more afraid of falling and breaking a leg etc.

If a season is ever truly opened, I’ll be the first to get a tag. I feel that moderation with g bear populations is like moderation with most things….moderation is best

 

[Lee_R]

really i have a friend that has several venomous snakes and has kids (he has an exotic snake license ) knowing what your doing and teaching kids not to go near or handle them is the key
same with bears

Your friend let those snakes roam free in his house or in his back yard when he's got company over? Your analogy isn't even close to the bear situation.

 

[Billy Goat]

but we need to pass laws preventing ,grizzlies from inhabiting their native range because they interfere with your lifestyle and your non native live stock ? maybe we should do the same thing with cattle being grazed and houses being built on what was once native habitat for wild game

This is the basis of conflict. It's a give and take, in order to sustain a population, we need areas of agriculture, you know this. There's no way to just have things like they were pre-colonial.

Numbers need to be kept in check, either humans or grizzlies, I don't too much care which one honestly. We probably have 4 times the number of people in this world as is sustainable, and it's still increasing.

Let's put people back to their native range, that will work well.

 

[fatlander]

i suppose wolves grizzlies and lions were responsible for wiping out the buffalo

That would be ignorant European settlers. The descendants of those settlers think reintroducing apex predators on a broken landscape without controlling the predators is a good idea. Ignorance must be a genetic thing.


Here’s another aside, the reason there were the sheer numbers of Buffalo (and other game), when Europeans finally made it to the plains, is disease had already killed over 90% of the native Americans in North America. The natural world is more complicated than 0 or 1.


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[Rob5589]

They and Giz should be land locked into California

Bruh, the griz ain't into eating bitch biscuit, Croc wearing vegans....

 

[scattergun]

I see what you are saying but we are drawing a line of what’s in and what’s out. Things go extinct all the time and we don’t bat an eye. I’m not proposing they are made extinct but that they shouldn’t be allowed to expand.

Who are we to decide that?

 

[displacedtexan]

I see what you are saying but we are drawing a line of what’s in and what’s out. Things go extinct all the time and we don’t bat an eye. I’m not proposing they are made extinct but that they shouldn’t be allowed to expand.

What's wrong with people (be it living, recreating, or working) not expanding into a range they don't feel safe?

Don't want to live with cold winters? Don't move to Canada. Don't want to live in the heat? Mexico isn't for you.

Don't want to raise cattle in bear country? Have your ranch in Iowa.

I don't think humans have the right or need to reshape ecosystems for their own comfort and profit.

 

[Yoder]

Are you one of those people who are still wearing a mask? There was a 99.8% chance you wouldn't die from covid and everyone freaked out about that too. Maybe Pfiizer makes a vaccine to keep bears away.

 

[Overdrive]

I'm a let nature do what it does kind of person, I don't think State and Federal agencies should have their hand in any reintroductions. Nature will always find a way, look at how many Deer, Elk, Coyotes, bobcats, etc live in or near big cities.

 

[tdhanses]

Omg this thread is hilarious, last I checked black bears kill more people then Grizz. I could careless if their range is expanded and if it is there will not be one behind every tree.

CO has some great habitat that is wilderness I could easily get behind releasing a few into.

I’m also not convinced the last Grizz was killed in CO in the 70’s, it was a sow that had nursed, I think there is a small population already.

Read Ghost Grizzlies, great read.

 

[Pikespeak]

I do indeed live in wyoming. I have also lived in the bush in koyukuk for a couple of years. I guess I have just become accustomed to be around grizzly bears.

The biggest difference I have seen between bears in Alaska and bears in Wyoming is fear of man. The bears are hunted in Alaska. Unless you come up on a feeding beat/ sow and cubs/ or in my opinion the most dangerous bear a “non hibernator”, they generally run in Alaska.

In Wyoming the bears do not fear people in the slightest. I agree with management and hunting season.

Folks have to make a living and I understand that. Ranchers need to make a living and g bears make it tough on them. We have enough g bears. No need in them expanding their territory further.

I’ll be solo backpacking chasing elk in g bear country this fall. It’s a calculated risk, but I am far more afraid of falling and breaking a leg etc.

If a season is ever truly opened, I’ll be the first to get a tag. I feel that moderation with g bear populations is like moderation with most things….moderation is best

Thanks for the reply, interesting you’ve noticed a difference in the hunted and non hunted bears. I swore I came across a recent article where there was some study supporting this but others are saying it’s the opposite.

 

[Pikespeak]

Omg this thread is hilarious, last I checked black bears kill more people then Grizz. I could careless if their range is expanded and if it is there will not be one behind every tree.

CO has some great habitat that is wilderness I could easily get behind releasing a few into.

I’m also not convinced the last Grizz was killed in CO in the 70’s, it was a sow that had nursed, I think there is a small population already.

Read Ghost Grizzlies, great read.

Black bears have a massively larger range and numbers….also you stand more of a chance against a black bear. People fight off mountain lions, wolves, black bears….not grizzlies. And they are sneaky as hell.

 

[3forks]

Omg this thread is hilarious, last I checked black bears kill more people then Grizz. I could careless if their range is expanded and if it is there will not be one behind every tree.

CO has some great habitat that is wilderness I could easily get behind releasing a few into.

I’m also not convinced the last Grizz was killed in CO in the 70’s, it was a sow that had nursed, I think there is a small population already.

Read Ghost Grizzlies, great read.

There’s been a few discussions on this site regarding a remaining population of grizzlies in Colorado, and it really is pretty amazing to think that there was a 28 year period of time that grizzlies were still present in Colorado although they were thought to have been extirpated.

However, I don’t think there’s any chance that a population of grizzlies could still exist. There would be way too small of a genetic pool for them to breed, and the amount of travelers in wilderness areas for the last few decades in Colorado is so significant that there would have been verified evidence of a grizzly by now.

 

[tdhanses]

There’s been a few discussions on this site regarding a remaining population of grizzlies in Colorado, and it really is pretty amazing to think that there was a 28 year period of time that grizzlies were still present in Colorado although they were thought to have been extirpated.

However, I don’t think there’s any chance that a population of grizzlies could still exist. There would be way too small of a genetic pool for them to breed, and the amount of travelers in wilderness areas for the last few decades in Colorado is so significant that there would have been verified evidence of a grizzly by now.

Yeah I do agree but it’s kind of fun to think what if.

 

[3forks]

Yeah I do agree but it’s kind of fun to think what if.

It is fun to think about, and I’d be thrilled if a remaining population of grizzlies was found in Colorado.

I was born and raised in Durango, and was 9 when that last known grizzly was killed.

We spent a lot of time backpacking and hunting in the area the grizzly was killed prior to the news of that incident.

 

[tdhanses]

It is fun to think about, and I’d be thrilled if a remaining population of grizzlies was found in Colorado.

I was born and raised in Durango, and was 9 when that last known grizzly was killed.

We spent a lot of time backpacking and hunting in the area the grizzly was killed prior to the news of that incident.

Yeah I’ve spent quite a bit of time in the area, never seen anything questionable but i’ve spent a lot of time in grizz country in MT and have only ever seen a few.

 

[Dos Perros]

Yeah I’ve spent quite a bit of time in the area, never seen anything questionable but i’ve spent a lot of time in grizz country in MT and have only ever seen a few.

Go to Wyoming dude. More grizz than elk!

 

[tdhanses]

Go to Wyoming dude. More grizz than elk!

Was there last year, didn’t see one but don’t think they really were in the area, maybe a few here and there.

 

[WyoArk]

Thanks for the reply, interesting you’ve noticed a difference in the hunted and non hunted bears. I swore I came across a recent article where there was some study supporting this but others are saying it’s the opposite.

Well, I’m not a wildlife biologist by any means. However, I have spent quite a bit of time living with/around G bears.

Grizzly’s are really no different than any other animals. You go to a protected area and a deer will have no fear of humans. Go to the public land and they even catch the slightest scent of a man and they are hauling ass.

It doesn’t help when you have ignorant people not following the rules in Yellowstone. Feeding the bears is a really really bad idea. Now you have a bear that expects food when they see humans.

 

[Crowmangler]

Go to Wyoming dude. More grizz than elk!

Go on a Thorofare hunt for a week