I don't want Grizzlies spreading their range....There I said it

[Bubblehide]

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but you sure are mouthy.

"Mouthy" really, calling people names already. Dude-bro, I just stated the facts, nothing more, nothing less. Perhaps if you can't take the heat, you shouldn't be in the kitchen.

By the way, you're wrong again, that formula isn't even close. But then, you first need to know what you want to calculate. From the looks of your posts, there is more than a strong indication that you don't know what it is that you want to calculate.

 

[Crowmangler]

you have a greater chance of getting attacked by a shark then a grizzly

Not while I'm hunting in Montana

 

[Pony Soldier]

I'm old! As you get older you get grumpier. I have a simple plan. Grizz and rattlesnakes are treated the same. If they are aggressive they die. If not we can share the land. Wolves eat calves - elk and beef. Shoot em when you see em.

Simple plan. My life - what there is left of it. You folks can fight over the theory. I don't care to waste the time.

 

[mossyoak52]

Not while I'm hunting in Montana

Not while I'm hunting in Montana

he said he swims with sharks his chances of being attacked by a shark in the keys are higher then getting attacked by a grizzly in montana

 

[displacedtexan]

Call me a hippie. I don't care.

But I have no issues with grizzlies anywhere in their historic range.

Want to live, recreate, whatever in the land they were on first? Deal with the risk.

Bears were all over what we now know as the American West for how many centuries before cows came here? Quit claiming that there can't be bears because of cattle.

 

[WyoArk]

I will take killed in action by a Grizzly doing what I love over died a slow painful death due to cancer “pick your disease” etc.

I respect them, but I’m not going to live in fear that is ridiculous.

 

[Gutshot007]

Did someone go to an actuary life insurance seminar ? Where do pit bulls fit into the odds vs grizzly maulings ?

 

[Broomd]

Was sheep hunting in Alaska with a buddy -- we were two up on an old Honda Foreman riding up a very rocky creek bed when we came upon a sow grizz with two cubs. She immediately tore after us, couldn't have cared less about the machine. We barely got away from that biotch with our skins in that jagged terrain, frame banging on rock and shit and gear flying everywhere.

Thankful that I lived to share the story.

Been around them thick on Kodiak too, hate 'em!
If I never see another one I'll be fine with it! Screw the bears!

 

[mossyoak52]

Call me a hippie. I don't care.

But I have no issues with grizzlies anywhere in their historic range.

Want to live, recreate, whatever in the land they were on first? Deal with the risk.

Bears were all over what we now know as the American West for how many centuries before cows came here? Quit claiming that there can't be bears because of cattle.

thats how i look at it

wolves & lions were also part of the land scape before cows horses or settlers i find it laughable that people blame wolves bears lions etc for declineng game populations all the time they are building their ranches and grazing cattle and building roads in prime deer and elk habitat guess it s easier to blame something else rather then admit man/climate change has the biggest impact on wild life and its habitat then any other apex predator on the planet

i suppose wolves grizzlies and lions were responsible for wiping out the buffalo also
my wife & lived with grizzlies for 38 yrs and wolves since they were first introduced in montana haven't affected our hunting we have had to alter how we hunt but it hasn't prevented us from punching our tags

 

[Pikespeak]

Call me a hippie. I don't care.

But I have no issues with grizzlies anywhere in their historic range.

Want to live, recreate, whatever in the land they were on first? Deal with the risk.

Bears were all over what we now know as the American West for how many centuries before cows came here? Quit claiming that there can't be bears because of cattle.

Humans have been shaping their environment for 1000s of years. Do we want an environment from the 1900’s? Before or after Indians had an apocalypse from small pox? The idea of this untouched environment is falling apart as we learn about our history. We’ve been changing our world for a long time based on what benefits us.

For example, researchers couldn’t figure out how South America supported so many people pre Europeans until they discovered that areas where humans lived most of the Amazon’s trees are fruit bearing. However, outside of those areas it’s only 3%. Humans changed massive sections of the amazon before they even had the wheel. This discussion of what benefits us is no different.

 

[displacedtexan]

Humans have been shaping their environment for 1000s of years. Do we want an environment from the 1900’s? Before or after Indians had an apocalypse from small pox? The idea of this untouched environment is falling apart as we learn about our history. We’ve been changing our world for a long time based on what benefits us.

For example, researchers couldn’t figure out how South America supported so many people pre Europeans until they discovered that areas where humans lived most of the Amazon’s trees are fruit bearing. However, outside of those areas it’s only 3%. Humans changed massive sections of the amazon before they even had the wheel. This discussion of what benefits us is no different.

Awful bold of you to assume that I think what humans do to shape the world for their perceived benefit is actually good.

 

[Pikespeak]

Did someone go to an actuary life insurance seminar ? Where do pit bulls fit into the odds vs grizzly maulings ?

100% chance that if we start a thread on pit bulls it starts an argument

 

[Pikespeak]

Awful bold of you to assume that I think what humans do to shape the world for their perceived benefit is actually good.

Never said it was but we’ve been part of nature ourselves for a long time and our impact.I assume you aren’t willing to give up your nice comfy home, vehicle, synthetic clothes, mined metal for tops and guns, toxic mining for rare earth metals so you have a computer to post on rokslide, food stuffs from farmed land and on and on and on.

You have drawn a line of what impact you are ok with and it just happens to be grizzly bears.

 

[3325]

I like wild places and wild creatures. I want to have a sustainable population of Grizzlies and I want to have a season on them. I want to have some and I want to kill some. I'm glad the Grizzly is expanding southward into the Wind River Range.

I chose to live in Wyoming when I was 24 knowing there were things here that bite. I'm 55 now and I don't regret the decision.

I've seen a fair few Grizzlies but never had an encounter of the worst kind. I've known one guide killed by a Grizzly. I will be hiking Grizzly country this summer and hunting Grizzly country this fall.

 

[Pikespeak]

I will take killed in action by a Grizzly doing what I love over died a slow painful death due to cancer “pick your disease” etc.

I respect them, but I’m not going to live in fear that is ridiculous.

So assuming you live in Wyoming based off your username. If you have grizzlies where you live and you enjoy that, great. Do you think they should expand to areas of other people who you will never know or meet? Genuinely curious.

 

[mossyoak52]

Never said it was but we’ve been part of nature ourselves for a long time and our impact.I assume you aren’t willing to give up your nice comfy home, vehicle, synthetic clothes, mined metal for tops and guns, toxic mining for rare earth metals so you have a computer to post on rokslide, food stuffs from farmed land and on and on and on.

You have drawn a line of what impact you are ok with and it just happens to be grizzly bears.

difference is bears are not destroying the environment
everything else you listed definitely have a major impact our cars guns computers precious metals rockslide forum etc etc etc won't be doing us any good if we don't have an environment to use them or enjoy them due to our inability to live with out all our gadgets and modern technology grizzlies are here to stay might as well learn how to co exist with them because we will never eliminate them

 

[mossyoak52]

So assuming you live in Wyoming based off your username. If you have grizzlies where you live and you enjoy that, great. Do you think they should expand to areas of other people who you will never know or meet? Genuinely curious.

if its part of their naive range then yes they should
how many non natives/residents have moved into areas/states they were not born into or not native to but yet we tolerate them
we learn how to adapt and co exist with non residents we need to do the same with grizzlies and wolves

 

[Pikespeak]

difference is bears are not destroying the environment
everything else you listed definitely have a major impact our cars guns computers precious metals rockslide forum etc etc etc won't be doing us any good if we don't have an environment to use them or enjoy them due to our inability to live with out all our gadgets and modern technology grizzlies are here to stay might as well learn how to co exist with them because we will never eliminate them

I see what you are saying but we are drawing a line of what’s in and what’s out. Things go extinct all the time and we don’t bat an eye. I’m not proposing they are made extinct but that they shouldn’t be allowed to expand.

 

[Pikespeak]

if its part of their naive range then yes they should
how many non natives/residents have moved into areas/states they were not born into or not native to but yet we tolerate them
we learn how to adapt and co exist with non residents we need to do the same with grizzlies and wolves

To counter, why should your preferences impact people in other states? I’ve seen your example actually go the other way. People move into states and change the politics of the main city and then pass statewide laws instead of local ones that dictate things to rural people they will never encounter. This is the same thing to me. You like grizzlies in your state, go for it. But why should what you want change things in my neck of the woods?

 

[mossyoak52]

To counter, why should your preferences impact people in other states? I’ve seen your example actually go the other way. People move into states and change the politics of the main city and then pass statewide laws instead of local ones that dictate things to rural people they will never encounter. This is the same thing to me. You like grizzlies in your state, go for it. But why should what you want change things in my neck of the woods?

my point is just like wolves eventually grizzlies will be reintroduced to colorado there has been a few proven sightings of them in western colorado over the years
i never said i wanted them in colorado i said when they do show up (eventually they will ) people need to learn to co exist with them
we have roughly 800-1000 grizzlies here in montana we learn how to live with them

People move into states and change the politics of the main city and then pass statewide laws instead of local ones that dictate things to rural people they will never encounter.

but law makers haven't passed laws preventing humans from moving to different states to prevent that from happening have they ?
but we need to pass laws preventing ,grizzlies from inhabiting their native range because they interfere with your lifestyle and your non native live stock ? maybe we should do the same thing with cattle being grazed and houses being built on what was once native habitat for wild game