How Will Vehicles Change With New Government Regulations

[gbflyer]

Sorry. 4.

I believe it's Cat. Brand new, no DEF, well over the 75hp.

Thanks for that. What I found searching was for a no DEF CAT engine is above 750hp for stationary application. So I guess you’re right that’s off road. I was thinking more along the lines of something used in construction equipment.

Cool tech though. Something is going to have to change. Nothing but problems with after-treatment systems thus far.

 

[jimh406]

I don’t think anyone knows. I think most people buy the wrong vehicle based on their crystal ball.

Buy if you have to, otherwise, invest and wait. Vehicles lose you money, period.

 

[displacedtexan]

Thanks for that. What I found searching was for a no DEF CAT engine is above 750hp for stationary application. So I guess you’re right that’s off road. I was thinking more along the lines of something used in construction equipment.

Cool tech though. Something is going to have to change. Nothing but problems with after-treatment systems thus far.

No problem.

Yeah, I've got a buddy with Volvo, he's brought it up as a "this is possible, but how do we get there", it's likely a ways off, but seems doable. DEF is just problematic enough that the motivation to engineer around it is there.

I mean a decade ago what a new Powerstroke is putting out was a pretty impressive setup. Now it's a stock emissions legal truck.

 

[TaperPin]

My advice is dont go to yahoo for advice on this subject.

The economics of oil production aren’t a secret - the boom and bust has played out over and over, and it all revolves around price. I don’t expect anyone to believe anything I’ve posted - they should look into for themselves. The fellow that was interviewed isn't that much different from many other analysts, in the US and abroad. That’s what I’m basing my personal decisions on - you’re welcome to believe whoever you like.

 

[doc holiday13]

Thanks for that. What I found searching was for a no DEF CAT engine is above 750hp for stationary application. So I guess you’re right that’s off road. I was thinking more along the lines of something used in construction equipment.

Cool tech though. Something is going to have to change. Nothing but problems with after-treatment systems thus far.

There are some tier 4 motors that do not require DEF or DPF. My understanding is that engines can get away with it, if it has a specific type of injection and is a constant RPM. Constant RPM meaning generator type use, where the motor will start and the the motor will ramp up to its given speed(generally 1800 rpm) all within a specific timeframe.

 

[Ucsdryder]

When have new vehicles ever gotten cheaper?

Actually new cars have gotten cheaper the last 12 months or so. Ram trucks were re-invoiced this year for lower amounts. Rebates, which basically were nonexistent for 3 years have also come back.

 

[Jimbuck]

Actually new cars have gotten cheaper the last 12 months or so. Ram trucks were re-invoiced this year for lower amounts. Rebates, which basically were nonexistent for 3 years have also come back.

This is what I've experienced as well. I've been casually searching for a new vehicle the past few years and it's only been in the past year where rebates and dealer pricing have been pretty enticing. Finally pulled the trigger on a vehicle in December at a great price.

 

[Predator_SD]

Why? Let's hear all the ways that how I spend my money is crazy to you.

Well for one you’re buying a new vehicle when the one you have is perfectly fine. 100,000 miles is absolutely nothing on a vehicle this isn’t 1982.

But go on brother, rabid consumerism is the cool kid thing nowadays. But just know that you’re keeping up with the Joneses is driving up the cost of everything faster than Sleepy Joe could do it. Buy buy buy buy because i want what i want and i want it NOW. Dont care if im being ripped off.

 

[Clint.smith]

This should be a good one....

I've been semi in the market for a new truck for a little while. Now that we have a new administration in the white house, how do you see vehicles changing in the coming years? When would you pull the trigger on a purchase?

Thanks!

wont it depend on your state? washington passed a 2030 all ev bill

 

[KenLee]

"We are kidding ourselves if we think we are going to see any considerable lowering of prices by manufactures. Never has happened."

It has most certainly happened. I bought a new 2005 GMC Z71 crew cab for $800 less than I paid for a new 1999 Classic GMC Z71 3 door extended cab. Much nicer, roomier truck cheaper. Demand was down in 2005 even though interest rates were low.

 

[aMurderOfCrows]

Interesting topic. I’ve been thinking about buying a new midsize and downsize from my F250.

I don’t think it’ll happen anytime soon. Prices suck and I don’t like all the new tech, especially the stuff going on inside the engine.

 

[Felix40]

My 2024 F250 work truck is the worst vehicle I have ever driven. Everything is controlled by software that is basically a 1st gen iPhone. It even does software updates twice a year that reset all your settings. It won’t idle longer than 30 minutes, transmission won’t engage for about 15 seconds after starting the truck, back seat occupant alert, won’t go into gear with a door open, won’t go into 4x4 with any amount of throttle. That’s not to mention all the modern bs that we have gotten used to but don’t need (tpms, traction control, seatbelt alarms, automatic climate control). There’s just so much nonsense tech in vehicles. Just give me a modern powertrain without any of that stuff.

 

[Baddog]

My 2024 F250 work truck is the worst vehicle I have ever driven. Everything is controlled by software that is basically a 1st gen iPhone. It even does software updates twice a year that reset all your settings. It won’t idle longer than 30 minutes, transmission won’t engage for about 15 seconds after starting the truck, back seat occupant alert, won’t go into gear with a door open, won’t go into 4x4 with any amount of throttle. That’s not to mention all the modern bs that we have gotten used to but don’t need (tpms, traction control, seatbelt alarms, automatic climate control). There’s just so much nonsense tech in vehicles. Just give me a modern powertrain without any of that stuff.

A lot of your complaints are because of government regulations. Not because the car manufacturers want to build it that way.

 

[Q child]

My 2024 F250 work truck is the worst vehicle I have ever driven. Everything is controlled by software that is basically a 1st gen iPhone. It even does software updates twice a year that reset all your settings. It won’t idle longer than 30 minutes, transmission won’t engage for about 15 seconds after starting the truck, back seat occupant alert, won’t go into gear with a door open, won’t go into 4x4 with any amount of throttle. That’s not to mention all the modern bs that we have gotten used to but don’t need (tpms, traction control, seatbelt alarms, automatic climate control). There’s just so much nonsense tech in vehicles. Just give me a modern powertrain without any of that stuff.

Agreed. And all that stuff adds a ton of cost. It's ridiculous. I also have a 2024 (mine's a Chevy) and the first thing I did was try to turn off as much stuff as I could. I couldn't turn off very much.