How to end NR Wyoming wilderness ban?

[FAAFO]

I've driven over the speed limit driving to kill literally everything I've ever killed and it bothers be zero.

That’s cool. We all place some laws above others. What’s your view on breaking a law to kill a game animal while in the field? Would you shoot a buck on private you don’t have permission to hunt?

 

[wyogoat]

How could we ostracize anyone with a valid tag hunting federal lands open to all? That’s the rub, the state only has control of the animals, not the land, there can be no trespassing or land violation unless the feds close down the area to hunting which would be for all. This law seems to try and bypass federal management of a public resource, the land. The tag no one has an issue with, it’s the states right to give them out.

It would be different if that same tag wasn’t good on any other federal or state land or had to be issued through an outfitter or was a tag only good for outfitted hunts, CO has tags that are good for private land only hunt, WY could have done that with wilderness but they elected to issue a valid tag that is valid on 90% of the public land but then try to limit access to 10% in the area it is valid for.

Their right is to limit the access to have a valid tag to an animal.

There are areas in every state that have higher draw odds due to limited access. Tags are issued every year to people who may only get to hunt 10 percent of the area. It’s part of the planning process.
I’m all for you guys getting it changed. Or at least trying. Make it happen then you can move on to complaining about something else.
And that federal land is open to all. Just not open to all to harvest a big game animal managed by the state.
The other option? Leave your comfort zone. Move here. Contribute to the betterment of the state by joining the workforce. I’ll even show you some spots. If as a resident you still feel nonresidents are being persecuted then run for office and bring about that change.

 

[FAAFO]

So you never speed? Check your phone while driving?

Man the speed one, you got me. Fricking criminal. It’s almost like I said we choose which laws we decide to follow.

How about you? Would you shoot a buck on private without permission? Do you view the people that do that the same as someone that speeds?

 

[FAAFO]

It's like a speeding ticket.

So is shooting before legal light, not taking all the meat of an animal, failure to tag your animal etc are all misdemeanors like speeding.

But definitely not viewed the same and shouldn’t be. And to compare them is laughable and sad at the same time.

 

[wapitibob]

But I’m not the one considering violating it…no need to read up on it.
And I believe the charge would be in Wyoming State Statute, not regs.

It's a Title 23 Statute, game and fish violation. 23-2-401 specifically

 

[flathead#2]

It's called Govt. overreach.

 

[Steve O]

Since we are throwing out opinions…

I think a good solution would be for Wyoming to not allow ANY non residents hunt in the wilderness; don’t just discriminate against us poor ones that can’t afford a guide…that would also be better for residents. Less crowds in the wilderness.

I also think if Mr Meateater is so concerned, and is such a champion of hunter/ non resident rights, HE should lead the charge. Lord knows he has fleeced so many millions of dollars out of naïve sportsmen.

Someday I hope to use a WY guide. Until that glorious day, I’m going to have to stay out of the wilderness. All you fellas posturing are going to have to do the same; the outfitter association is a pretty powerful lobby.

 

[wapitibob]

hang in there, I see Sheep in your future

 

[tdhanses]

Man the speed one, you got me. Fricking criminal. It’s almost like I said we choose which laws we decide to follow.

How about you? Would you shoot a buck on private without permission? Do you view the people that do that the same as someone that speeds?

Nope wouldn’t at all but I would on public if I had a valid tag.

You seem to think hunting federal land is a crime because a state said so yet they gave you the valid tag that federal land is within.

 

[tdhanses]

It's a Title 23 Statute, game and fish violation. 23-2-401 specifically

So what does that violation mean, do you lose your hunting rights or anything or pay a small fine?

 

[wyogoat]

But clearly state the federal land isn’t an option which you saw prior to applying…
Imma go hunt the Wagonhound since it’s in the area for which I have a tag…

 

[tdhanses]

But clearly state the federal land isn’t an option which you saw prior to applying…
Imma go hunt the Wagonhound since it’s in the area for which I have a tag…

Yeah but that’s it, the area is within where the tag is good for just the state wants a babysitter on some of it, but it’s still valid there.

 

[Flyjunky]

Since we are throwing out opinions…

I think a good solution would be for Wyoming to not allow ANY non residents hunt in the wilderness; don’t just discriminate against us poor ones that can’t afford a guide…that would also be better for residents. Less crowds in the wilderness.

That’s a great idea, and I would think every Wyoming resident would be onboard so they could have all those areas just for themselves.

 

[FAAFO]

Nope wouldn’t at all but I would on public if I had a valid tag.

You seem to think hunting federal land is a crime because a state said so yet they gave you the valid tag that federal land is within.

Interesting so you choose which laws you want to follow. Too bad you didn’t answer the other questions.

Which do you want to manage public land, the state or the Feds?

 

[wyogoat]

Yeah but that’s it, the area is within where the tag is good for just the state wants a babysitter on some of it, but it’s still valid there.

Valid with certain caveats which are clearly stated. I want to ask these questions:

You drum banger are aware it’s not ALL federal lands that are restricted, right? Just the ones designated as wilderness? Which encompasses a very small percentage of the state.

Do you feel, that since it’s federally owned and funded, you should be able to hunt elk in Yellowstone since you have a tag the state issued?

Do you feel, that since it’s federally owned and funded, you should be able to hunt Native American Reservations since the state issued you a tag ?

All these restrictions are clearly laid out when you are choosing what areas to apply in.

I’ll be honest in that I’d rank my wilderness spot fourth on my best areas list and the top three are all spots anyone on this forum can hunt. It’s not some mythical land. It can be great but it can be really tough too. I just like it because I don’t like seeing people and I loathe hearing atv’s and sxs zipping around.

 

[ThorM465]

Give it a shot! I think it’s more than that though. Don’t we ostracize those who trespass onto private land they don’t have permission to hunt? Or do we only ostracize them because the people that come to mind were monetizing the sport we are all passionate about? I still think we are all better than that.
Seems like a similar scenario even though the charge may read differently and the fine may be different and you’re potentially allowed to keep the illegally harvest animal.

This isn't private land. It's land every American has equal right to. I'll say it again, we're talking about land every American has equal right to.

Every day you have to decide whether to follow the law or not, it’s up to you to decide. Is the 150 worth it to look at that animal on the wall knowing you broke the law to get it?

Well I wasn't going to, but when you put it like that I'm in!

There is nothing inherently immoral about breaking a law or noble about following an unjust law. People equivocating legality with morality astound me. I'd say I don't understand it, but that would be a lie. It's a direct result of a secular society that inevitably replaces God with the state.

 

[wyogoat]

This isn't private land. It's land every American has equal right to. I'll say it again, we're talking about land every American has equal right to.


Well I wasn't going to, but when you put it like that I'm in!

There is nothing inherently immoral about breaking a law or noble about following an unjust law. People equivocating legality with morality astound me. I'd say I don't understand it, but that would be a lie. It's a direct result of a secular society that inevitably replaces God with the state.

Is harvesting an elk, for any of us, a right or a privilege?

 

[StupidLightweight]

Some of the comparisons brought up by the "wilderness segregationist" crowd are astoundingly bad. And I mean baaaaad. I can see the opposing side of most debates, but comparing a NR hunting big game in Wyoming wilderness to...

• Hunting Yellowstone?
• Hunting an Indian Reservations?
• Trespassing?
• Shooting game on private land without permission?

Holy smokes. Come on. At least try to win over the other side.

 

[ThorM465]

Is harvesting an elk, for any of us, a right or a privilege?

It's a shared right to a shared resource. Whether its a federal or state resource that governing body is responsible for regulating it in a manner that the most number of people get the most use of it.