How to end NR Wyoming wilderness ban?

[tdhanses]

Not sure how the trespassing to harvest game thing would read…

How is it trespassing? Federal government allowes all citizens full access or no one access, they don’t stipulate residency to access the lands and last I checked states have no authority over the federal lands access, just the right to hunt and who gets a tag.

So if you leave your tag across the line it’s not trespassing but as soon as you have a valid license to kill it’s trespassing? Or is it trespassing only if your successful and put your tag on an animal?

Probably why it’s a slap on the wrist and you get to keep the animal.

 

[wyogoat]

I think the intent portion would dictate the charge. Trespass was just what seemed most likely but it may not be.
Regardless, it would be a hunting related crime and I’d like to think we are all better than that.
And how long ago was that $150 “slap on the wrist?” Many statutes have updated their fines in the past few years.

 

[tdhanses]

I think the intent portion would dictate the charge. Trespass was just what seemed most likely but it may not be.
Regardless, it would be a hunting related crime and I’d like to think we are all better than that.

It sounds like it’s just similar to a speeding ticket, you just pay a fine but more then likely just get a warning, yet keep the animal.

 

[wyogoat]

Give it a shot! I think it’s more than that though. Don’t we ostracize those who trespass onto private land they don’t have permission to hunt? Or do we only ostracize them because the people that come to mind were monetizing the sport we are all passionate about? I still think we are all better than that.
Seems like a similar scenario even though the charge may read differently and the fine may be different and you’re potentially allowed to keep the illegally harvest animal.

 

[sodaksooner]

Back on the reciprocity argument, maybe not in this case, but it does work. Many years ago there was a push in Kansas to discontinue selling deer tags to Oklahoma residents as we were killing all of their deer (much like we Okies think Texans are doing the same now). I don't remember all the particulars of the "case", but when the powers that be in Oklahoma heard of this, they said fine, but Kansans will no longer be allowed to fish in Oklahoma.... The KS ban never went into effect. Just for fact checking sake, this was a long time ago and I may not have my facts straight, but it's a good story...lol.

 

[Dos Perros]

Is it worth having a game conviction on your record? Regardless of the low fine?
That makes us just like the people we flame then, right?
It’s cheaper to make a friend in Wyoming! I joke that’s one reason I’m single, to leave the door open to marry into a Dall Sheep opportunity that needs no guide…regardless of how ugly he is.

It's like a speeding ticket.

 

[Dos Perros]

Every day you have to decide whether to follow the law or not, it’s up to you to decide. Is the 150 worth it to look at that animal on the wall knowing you broke the law to get it?

I've driven over the speed limit driving to kill literally everything I've ever killed and it bothers be zero.

 

[Dos Perros]

I think the intent portion would dictate the charge. Trespass was just what seemed most likely but it may not be.
Regardless, it would be a hunting related crime and I’d like to think we are all better than that.
And how long ago was that $150 “slap on the wrist?” Many statutes have updated their fines in the past few years.

You should read the regulation and do some research yourself.

 

[wyogoat]

You should read the regulation and do some research yourself.

But I’m not the one considering violating it…no need to read up on it.
And I believe the charge would be in Wyoming State Statute, not regs.

 

[Rotnguns]

I get tge state owns the wildlife, that was not the point. Clearly the state regulates the hunting of wildlife. But the state is regulating hunting wildlife on federal lands, specifically denying nonresident hunting on federal wilderness. The state simple lacks authority to do this. They can legally regulate access to state lands all they want, within the law, considering it is public land, sovthey have some limitations there too.

I look at it like this: the state can regulate what you hunt and where you hunt, but it cannot prevent you from accessing federal land. Your hunting license and big-game tags come from the state (except for federal waterfowl stamps, a different matter). As far as I know, there is no federal guarantee for your right to hunt on NF or BLM land.

 

[tdhanses]

Give it a shot! I think it’s more than that though. Don’t we ostracize those who trespass onto private land they don’t have permission to hunt? Or do we only ostracize them because the people that come to mind were monetizing the sport we are all passionate about? I still think we are all better than that.
Seems like a similar scenario even though the charge may read differently and the fine may be different and you’re potentially allowed to keep the illegally harvest animal.

How could we ostracize anyone with a valid tag hunting federal lands open to all? That’s the rub, the state only has control of the animals, not the land, there can be no trespassing or land violation unless the feds close down the area to hunting which would be for all. This law seems to try and bypass federal management of a public resource, the land. The tag no one has an issue with, it’s the states right to give them out.

It would be different if that same tag wasn’t good on any other federal or state land or had to be issued through an outfitter or was a tag only good for outfitted hunts, CO has tags that are good for private land only hunt, WY could have done that with wilderness but they elected to issue a valid tag that is valid on 90% of the public land but then try to limit access to 10% in the area it is valid for.

Their right is to limit the access to have a valid tag to an animal.

 

[tdhanses]

Every day you have to decide whether to follow the law or not, it’s up to you to decide. Is the 150 worth it to look at that animal on the wall knowing you broke the law to get it?

So you never speed? Check your phone while driving?

 

[wyogoat]

How could we ostracize anyone with a valid tag hunting federal lands open to all? That’s the rub, the state only has control of the animals, not the land, there can be no trespassing or land violation unless the feds close down the area to hunting which would be for all. This law seems to try and bypass federal management of a public resource, the land. The tag no one has an issue with, it’s the states right to give them out.

It would be different if that same tag wasn’t good on any other federal or state land or had to be issued through an outfitter or was a tag only good for outfitted hunts, CO has tags that are good for private land only hunt, WY could have done that with wilderness but they elected to issue a valid tag that is valid on 90% of the public land but then try to limit access to 10% in the area it is valid for.

Their right is to limit the access to have a valid tag to an animal.

There are areas in every state that have higher draw odds due to limited access. Tags are issued every year to people who may only get to hunt 10 percent of the area. It’s part of the planning process.
I’m all for you guys getting it changed. Or at least trying. Make it happen then you can move on to complaining about something else.
And that federal land is open to all. Just not open to all to harvest a big game animal managed by the state.
The other option? Leave your comfort zone. Move here. Contribute to the betterment of the state by joining the workforce. I’ll even show you some spots. If as a resident you still feel nonresidents are being persecuted then run for office and bring about that change.

 

[wapitibob]

But I’m not the one considering violating it…no need to read up on it.
And I believe the charge would be in Wyoming State Statute, not regs.

It's a Title 23 Statute, game and fish violation. 23-2-401 specifically

 

[flathead#2]

It's called Govt. overreach.

 

[Steve O]

Since we are throwing out opinions…

I think a good solution would be for Wyoming to not allow ANY non residents hunt in the wilderness; don’t just discriminate against us poor ones that can’t afford a guide…that would also be better for residents. Less crowds in the wilderness.

I also think if Mr Meateater is so concerned, and is such a champion of hunter/ non resident rights, HE should lead the charge. Lord knows he has fleeced so many millions of dollars out of naïve sportsmen.

Someday I hope to use a WY guide. Until that glorious day, I’m going to have to stay out of the wilderness. All you fellas posturing are going to have to do the same; the outfitter association is a pretty powerful lobby.

 

[wapitibob]

hang in there, I see Sheep in your future

 

[tdhanses]

Man the speed one, you got me. Fricking criminal. It’s almost like I said we choose which laws we decide to follow.

How about you? Would you shoot a buck on private without permission? Do you view the people that do that the same as someone that speeds?

Nope wouldn’t at all but I would on public if I had a valid tag.

You seem to think hunting federal land is a crime because a state said so yet they gave you the valid tag that federal land is within.

 

[tdhanses]

It's a Title 23 Statute, game and fish violation. 23-2-401 specifically

So what does that violation mean, do you lose your hunting rights or anything or pay a small fine?

 

[wyogoat]

But clearly state the federal land isn’t an option which you saw prior to applying…
Imma go hunt the Wagonhound since it’s in the area for which I have a tag…