How to end NR Wyoming wilderness ban?

[wyogoat]

Took 12 pages for the Wyoming being a “welfare state” to rear its ugly head. Just isn’t the case and that per capita number is greatly influenced by a single factor that anyone who knows the state would easily recognize but that doesn’t help the argument against Wyoming, does it?

 

[KHNC]

I read the first 3-4 pages in their entirety. Several mentioned how NR's can visit , hike, fish or camp in wilderness, but not hunt. However, A NR can HUNT anything they want that is not classified as a big game animal. So walking around with a bow or rifle while coyote or grouse hunting is perfectly legal. Be tough to prove you were after a deer , elk or grizzly , unless you were packing one out.

 

[Gobbler36]

And you’re welcome to come here and use the wilderness. Hell, I’ll even meet you at the trail head and we can catch a lot of Brook Trout and see some cool stuff, you just can’t elk or deer hunt there. Do I benefit from that? Heck ya. As I’ve said in every dumpster fire thread about this topic that has the same cry baby arguments from NR, the wilderness restriction is the second best part of the hunting here. I can get away from guys from Louisiana who blow a bugle every step and sound like they are at a kids birthday party with a kazoo.

Dude it’s federally owned land supposed to be managed for many uses. Great I can camp in it but that’s not my use preference it’s hunting.

It’s hilarious you calling us cry baby’s when you need the state to intervene in keeping people out when you complain running into other people hunting instead of just figuring out a plan b

Look I get it, I live in ID it can be frustrating at times, but I know you know deep down the law is bullshit. If I lived there I might would feel the same way

 

[Dos Perros]

Took 12 pages for the Wyoming being a “welfare state” to rear its ugly head. Just isn’t the case and that per capita number is greatly influenced by a single factor that anyone who knows the state would easily recognize but that doesn’t help the argument against Wyoming, does it?

Indians?

Nukes?

Handlebar mustaches?

 

[wyogoat]

Dude it’s federally owned land supposed to be managed for many uses. Great I can camp in it but that’s not my use preference it’s hunting.

It’s hilarious you calling us cry baby’s when you need the state to intervene in keeping people out when you complain running into other people hunting instead of just figuring out a plan b

Look I get it, I live in ID it can be frustrating at times, but I know you know deep down the law is bullshit. If I lived there I might would feel the same way

I bet you would.
I’m not the one whining or trying to influence what occurs in other states where I’m not a tax paying resident. Therefore I’m not the crybaby. I live here for the hunting. Plain and simple. If others want that they should make the same sacrifices I did. Misery loves company.

 

[tdhanses]

I bet you would.
I’m not the one whining or trying to influence what occurs in other states where I’m not a tax paying resident. Therefore I’m not the crybaby. I live here for the hunting. Plain and simple. If others want that they should make the same sacrifices I did. Misery loves company.

While yes you pay some state taxes, you do get a good break and pay no state income tax and yet collect the federal taxes from 49 other states but yes in reality many states do the same but how many other states only have a fraction of a percent of the population yet collect so much federal cash between PR funds and funds to keep the state operating?

We all pay taxes that benefit WY and if WY received zero aid from other states there would be 50k residents, wagon trails and a private airport in Jackson. I’m not trying to be rude but it’s very true. I bet 45 of the other states each have one city with a higher population then the state of WY.

 

[Lawnboi]

Move to alaska. You already know about the yearly oil check, and we subsidize you living in the bush. To top it off SUBSISTENCE HUNTING BABY!

It was a joke. But I’m sure you get that. Cause you know more than some inept NR.

 

[Lawnboi]

Isn’t the whole thread a joke?

Pretty much

Good luck with the guide business

 

[Jethro]

Isn’t the whole thread a joke?

Yes. A joke we’ve already heard

 

[Dos Perros]

Welfare checks get deposited the first of the month. So we are good!

 

[Sccritterkiller]

You should look at how much money the Feds give WY, a state with under 600k residents, the per person welfare to keep the state operating is high even if they don’t look at it that way.

I’m kinda shocked it doesn’t instate a state income tax so it isn’t so dependent on Federal aid.

That's a entirely different issue they have to deal with...WY has 6th highest per capita income in the US, 82k..only DC, MA, CT, NY, and NJ are higher...They use the no state tax loop hole to bring in out out of state invest and then the residents complain about high housing prices/limited supply, ect.
Hell the annual Federal Reseve meeting is held in WY every year...

 

[BBob]

Hell the annual Federal Reseve meeting is held in WY every year...

Isn’t Jackson considered part of California???

 

[wyogoat]

Isn’t Jackson considered part of California???

In Wyoming it is…

 

[wyogoat]

While yes you pay some state taxes, you do get a good break and pay no state income tax and yet collect the federal taxes from 49 other states but yes in reality many states do the same but how many other states only have a fraction of a percent of the population yet collect so much federal cash between PR funds and funds to keep the state operating?

We all pay taxes that benefit WY and if WY received zero aid from other states there would be 50k residents, wagon trails and a private airport in Jackson. I’m not trying to be rude but it’s very true. I bet 45 of the other states each have one city with a higher population then the state of WY.

I’d be thrilled if it went back to wagon trails and 50k people. Don’t threaten me with a good time…

 

[LFC911]

I'm betting this thread doesn't make it past 13 pages...who's got the over?

 

[307]

You should look at how much money the Feds give WY, a state with under 600k residents, the per person welfare to keep the state operating is high even if they don’t look at it that way.

I’m kinda shocked it doesn’t instate a state income tax so it isn’t so dependent on Federal aid.

When the federal regulations handcuff the state's economy, it's only right that the feds are responsible to make up at least some of the difference. Remove the federal handcuffs and Wyoming gets rich, so...

 

[ThorM465]

I visited WY for an Elk hunt for the first time this year. Without exception every resident I interacted with were great people, I'd love to live amongst. Many even expressed that they understood NRs were getting screwed in the current system. I apologize, that isn't entirely true, there was a coffee shop in Pinedale being ran by a Dbag who was obviously a west coast import. Other than him... Anyways...

Unfortunately there are many Rs here who can go choke yourselves with a rusty chain. @FAAFO , after reading through your posts here I'm sincerely impressed that you're literate enough to participate in this conversation.

I advocate governance at the lowest possible level as a rule. I 100% support state sovereignty in controlling state land, NR access to state land is a privilege. I don't mind paying a higher price and having less access to game species on federal land within reason. I kind of do, but not enough to be worth fighting over. The problem here is that the western states, such as WY wilderness access & Bison tag costs, have abused their authority over federal lands for to long and have gone to far.

When the residents of the state refuse to be reasonable, we NRs are left with but one recourse. If I must lobby my congressmen in DC to change the law such that it is illegal to discriminate against Americans access to and usage of federal lands based on residence that's exactly what I'll do. You may laugh at the idea of my single voice. However, I assure you that a few thousand similar letters from NRs on this forum will start a conversation in DC and this is something that very easily could be slipped into an omnibus bill and serve as a campaign trail success story for 100s of Congressmen trying to get re-elected.

One of the principles this country was found on is that taxation entitles you to representation. You Rs can not logically argue that we NRs are not stakeholders when you're using our fees(taxes) to fund you're ability to hunt and fish your state.

 

[StupidLightweight]

Boom goes the Hammer of Thor. Well said, sir. Great post.

 

[307]

I visited WY for an Elk hunt for the first time this year. Without exception every resident I interacted with were great people, I'd love to live amongst. Many even expressed that they understood NRs were getting screwed in the current system. I apologize, that isn't entirely true, there was a coffee shop in Pinedale being ran by a Dbag who was obviously a west coast import. Other than him... Anyways...

Unfortunately there are many Rs here who can go choke yourselves with a rusty chain. @FAAFO , after reading through your posts here I'm sincerely impressed that you're literate enough to participate in this conversation.

I advocate governance at the lowest possible level as a rule. I 100% support state sovereignty in controlling state land, NR access to state land is a privilege. I don't mind paying a higher price and having less access to game species on federal land within reason. I kind of do, but not enough to be worth fighting over. The problem here is that the western states, such as WY wilderness access & Bison tag costs, have abused their authority over federal lands for to long and have gone to far.

When the residents of the state refuse to be reasonable, we NRs are left with but one recourse. If I must lobby my congressmen in DC to change the law such that it is illegal to discriminate against Americans access to and usage of federal lands based on residence that's exactly what I'll do. You may laugh at the idea of my single voice. However, I assure you that a few thousand similar letters from NRs on this forum will start a conversation in DC and this is something that very easily could be slipped into an omnibus bill and serve as a campaign trail success story for 100s of Congressmen trying to get re-elected.

One of the principles this country was found on is that taxation entitles you to representation. You Rs can not logically argue that we NRs are not stakeholders when you're using our fees(taxes) to fund you're ability to hunt and fish your state.

State controlled, but go ahead and roll that tide amigo.

 

[LFC911]

I too did my first hunt in WY this year and will say that everyone i met, R or NR, was great! I will also echo our success was greatly influenced by our guide, which is another reason why we used one on a general tag. There is no way that we could have gotten to that spot and got something out w/o a guide and stock even if it were legal. Now in the mean time, during my time-out to rebuild elk points, I'm looking to burn my deer and antelope points and use them to scout other areas i can elk hunt w/o a guide.