How much higher wil a .270 shoot@12,000 feet????

[pacoalcracker]

remember, for every successful sheep hunter there are 10 that are not.....for a variety of reasons.

 

[Deleted member 8-15-23]

If you think your Vortex is in the same league as a NF or Swaro, you deserve whatever comes your way. Yes, a NF or Swaro WILL take more of a beating than that Vortex....a LOT more. That is undisputable. 300 yards isnt a chip shot with a failed scope...neither is 50. You might not get that ram, but you sure will get another warrantied Vortex scope....LOL.

My son will carry my backup .308. Again, when you bowhunt, all these long-range rifle bs is a joke imo. I will punch this tag, no worries. Funny, I won't ever shoot a mathews bow( idiot Ted on the board, Levi left), I have been Pse for 48 years. Do what you believe in. Love Vortex. You think I won't kill my ram with a crap Vortex? Shot deer@800 yards with crap Vortex scopes, and they have a better warranty then swaro.

 

[HuntHarder]

remember, for every successful sheep hunter there are 10 that are not.....for a variety of reasons.

Is this really a true statement? Here in Az, I would guess our success rates for Desert and Rocky are somewhere in the 90% range.

 

[PNWGATOR]

Why did you even bother to ask the question?

Sincerely?

The issue isn’t your M70 or the caliber or the sentimental value of the rifle.

Guys here are trying to help you.

When you ask about “how much higher will it hit at12,000’” guys raise an eyebrow…

 

[Deleted member 8-15-23]

Is this really a true statement? Here in Az, I would guess our success rates for Desert and Rocky are somewhere in the 90% range.

Yep, my guide said which mature ram do you want. The hardest part of this hunt is drawing the tag oh and the 13,000 feet. Ha

 

[Deleted member 8-15-23]

Why did you even bother to ask the question?

Sincerely?

The issue isn’t your M70 or the caliber or the sentimental value of the rifle.

Guys here are trying to help you.

When you ask about “how much higher will it hit at12,000’” guys raise an eyebrow…

The last 40 years, I have bowhunted, so stupid me to ask the ? Thx for the input, all good. Peace out.

 

[bdan68]

Wow. He didn't ask what scope he should use. He didn't ask if a 270 Winchester would work for his sheep hunt. By the way I drew a sheep tag here in Washington state in 2014 and killed my sheep with a 270 Winchester with a Leupold Vari X-III 3.5-10x40 at just under 300 yards. I don't recall anyone at that time telling me my rifle and scope couldn't get the job done. I guess because I wasn't using a Vortex scope?

 

[Deleted member 8-15-23]

Why did you even bother to ask the question?

Sincerely?

The issue isn’t your M70 or the caliber or the sentimental value of the rifle.

Guys here are trying to help you.

When you ask about “how much higher will it hit at12,000’” guys raise an eyebrow…

I thought it was a valid ? I know my bow shoots higher at 12 000 feet vs. Sea level. Thx to this site I now know it only matters from 400 yards out which I will shoot while aclimating. Thx again.

 

[RyanT26]

Sounds like you got her figured out. Just use the muzzle velocity on the box it will be close enough. Don’t worry about the difference in drop at 12,000 feet just hold the crosshairs on the top of back it will be close enough. I would just show and send it.

 

[Kurts86]

This thread is best resolved with 1-2 days of professional rifle instruction. You will have more knowledge, confidence and your gear shaken out by the end of it. Being able to shoot a rifle at 300 yards isn’t a big ask but it’s clear the core ballistics understanding isn’t there.

Find a precision rifle 1 or rifle hunting specific class, buy a case of ammo and go get up to speed quickly. Then take your learnings and shoot an NRL hunter match.

Most everything in the last 5 pages of discussions is technically correct albeit with an attitude typical of Rokslide.

 

[TxxAgg]

I'm having flashbacks to this:

 

[sndmn11]

Why did you even bother to ask the question?

Sincerely?

When you ask about “how much higher will it hit at12,000’” guys raise an eyebrow…

Well, my jaw dropped.

@HuntHarder you commented earlier eluding to the suggestion of using the guide's rifle being negative. It wasn't intended to be so.

My logic is that the guide knows what will go into a shot, and intimately knows his own rifle system. Two things demonstrated as lacking in the first post here. What better tool for the job than the one owned by the person who knows the job best, and is being hired for the job?

Same concept as to why fly fishing guides have a quiver of rods for clients.

 

[HuntHarder]

Well, my jaw dropped.

@HuntHarder you commented earlier eluding to the suggestion of using the guide's rifle being negative. It wasn't intended to be so.

My logic is that the guide knows what will go into a shot, and intimately knows his own rifle system. Two things demonstrated as lacking in the first post here. What better tool for the job than the one owned by the person who knows the job best, and is being hired for the job?

Same concept as to why fly fishing guides have a quiver of rods for clients.

You do know that everyone holds a rifle different or handles recoil different when shooting? Simply holding the gun too tight or too loose can affect POI. The gun may not fit him, eye relief may be off, a basic understanding of how that particular rifle functions, loads, unloads or goes on safe. Sounds like the OP knows his rifle, just maybe not all the technical ballistic info related to an uncommon situation of gaining 8-9k elevation for a hunt. Simple question, simple answer.

Maybe it's because I hunt with my father and grandfather on occasion that a lot of comments in here irritate me. Their guns are nothing like mine, yet they still kill sh$t. They look at my stuff and scoff at the idea of dialing or using a bipod, hand loading for that matter. The question the OP asked is very basic to a bunch of us, but maybe not thought about by a whole bunch of other guys. Answer his question and move on imo.

 

[ResearchinStuff]

@psemach1evolve

Archery analogies for you:
your scope is the equivalent of a trophy ridge react sight.
Factory ammo box velocity numbers are like ibo speeds.
500 yards with a rifle is comparable to 90 yards with a bow, ie way beyond what most people can do without a lot of disciplined practice at that distance or further.

Maybe that helps you understand the concerns of other posters. Bring that same care and attention to detail you've honed with a bow into your rifle shooting and hunting.

 

[sndmn11]

You do know that everyone holds a rifle different or handles recoil different when shooting? Simply holding the gun too tight or too loose can affect POI. The gun may not fit him, eye relief may be off, a basic understanding of how that particular rifle functions, loads, unloads or goes on safe. Sounds like the OP knows his rifle, just maybe not all the technical ballistic info related to an uncommon situation of gaining 8-9k elevation for a hunt. Simple question, simple answer.

Maybe it's because I hunt with my father and grandfather on occasion that a lot if comments in here irritate me. Their guns are nothing like mine, yet they still kill sh$t. They look at my stuff and scoff at the idea of dialing or using a bipod, hand loading for that matter. The question the OP asked is very basic to a bunch of us, but maybe not thought about by a whole bunch of other guys. Answer his question and move on imo.

I haven't read anything from him in this thread that demonstrates knowledge of his rifle other than he owns it. Hence my suggestion that was a genuine answer to his question and not in jest or any other synonym.

It might be significantly easier to show up and be handed a tool that is known by the guide and ready to go, rather than taking some guesses by both hunter and guide.

 

[SDHNTR]

The vast majority of hunters don’t care about any details beyond point, bang and flop. That worked for 100 years. The transition to a greater understanding of ballistics isn’t going to happen overnight and isn’t going to happen at all for a lot of people. I’m ok with that.

Just imagine what would happen if everyone in the woods was a top tier hunter and marksman, with the best equipment available and extensive knowledge to use it. There would be no game left. We should be more welcoming of guys like the OP who have made it clear they don’t want to hunt that way.

 

[HuntHarder]

I haven't read anything from him in this thread that demonstrates knowledge of his rifle other than he owns it. Hence my suggestion that was a genuine answer to his question and not in jest or any other synonym.

It might be significantly easier to show up and be handed a tool that is known by the guide and ready to go, rather than taking some guesses by both hunter and guide.

So the elevation has no effect on the guide's rifle? Or are you saying it's better to try and not understand anything and just trust your guide? What do you think the odds are that if he asks his guide the same question he asked in here, he gets the correct answer vs. The guide telling him to get a new scope, learn bullet drop to 500 yards and Nightforce are the only scopes on this planet that work?

In my experience the knowledgeable guide will simply say inside of 300 yards it is minimal and then re-assure him that his shot will likely fall <300 yards like previously stated.

 

[stanginthe11s]

there's arguments to be had for both sides. TxxAgg posted a video that some of you guys should probably watch. sure, you'll see what you want to see, but the reality is that equipment is only a small part. the guy missed a few times, and he had a NF scope.
the guy missed and had his own gun. funny though, he hit when he grabbed the guides rifle. was the guides rifle better? who knows. my money is on the shooter not understanding the fact that he was shooting steep angles, coupled with nerves and probably oxygen deprivation.
going from sea level to 13,000 ft and having a rush of adrenalin with cause hypoxia often results in vision issues. this does not effect everyone, and guys out west who live at elevation may not see this but the OP will need to understand what its like. that rifle is the least of your worries, physically prepare then realize that most of your shots will be aimed low a few inches.

 

[sndmn11]

So the elevation has no effect on the guide's rifle? Or are you saying it's better to try and not understand anything and just trust your guide? What do you think the odds are that if he asks his guide the same question he asked in here, he gets the correct answer vs. The guide telling him to get a new scope, learn bullet drop to 500 yards and Nightforce are the only scopes on this planet that work?

In my experience the knowledgeable guide will simply say inside of 300 yards it is minimal and then re-assure him that his shot will likely fall <300 yards like previously stated.

I think the chances would be zero in getting the correct answer if he asked the guide the same question. The missing information would still be needed, and (presumably) known by the guide about his own rifle. It would be significantly easier for the guide to provide the aiming solution for his known rifle, than to try to figure out velocity, BC, actual zero, etc., on the spot.

I didn't say a thing about a new scope, or 500yds, or learning ballistics.

I did however provide a possible solution for him to consider in solving his problem by typing a handful of objective words.

 

[SDHNTR]

I'm having flashbacks to this:

NF scope on Talley lightweights. Driving a Ferrari on bicycle tires.

Shooting brakes guns with no ear protection. Nerves and rushed shooting.

Ugghhhh. And you can’t call that unit “high elevation “.