How much higher wil a .270 shoot@12,000 feet????

[pacoalcracker]

I dont care if the shot will be 300 or 800...who uses a Vortex scope on a high dollar or OIL hunt? A fail scope isnt hitting anything at any range......and vortex has a high scope failure rate as compared to many others. Nice to have that backup rifle, but once you miss a few times with that unbeknownst failed vortex scope that backup rifle might as well be a brick because that ram will be in the next county. You may not even see another ram after that. A Vortex? Seriously? Might as well mount your 1975 Bushnell Banner 3x9, at least you would look the part with that pre-64.

 

[SDHNTR]

I dont care if the shot will be 300 or 800...who uses a Vortex scope on a high dollar or OIL hunt? A fail scope isnt hitting anything at any range......and vortex has a high scope failure rate as compared to many others. Nice to have that backup rifle, but once you miss a few times with that unbeknownst failed vortex scope that backup rifle might as well be a brick because that ram will be in the next county. You may not even see another ram after that. A Vortex? Seriously? Might as well mount your 1975 Bushnell Banner 3x9, at least you would look the part with that pre-64.

Wow, and I thought I came off a little harsh!

 

[cmahoney]

I dont care if the shot will be 300 or 800...who uses a Vortex scope on a high dollar or OIL hunt? A fail scope isnt hitting anything at any range......and vortex has a high scope failure rate as compared to many others. Nice to have that backup rifle, but once you miss a few times with that unbeknownst failed vortex scope that backup rifle might as well be a brick because that ram will be in the next county. You may not even see another ram after that. A Vortex? Seriously? Might as well mount your 1975 Bushnell Banner 3x9, at least you would look the part with that pre-64.

That may be true but you can’t beat the warranty.


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[S-3 ranch]

I dont care if the shot will be 300 or 800...who uses a Vortex scope on a high dollar or OIL hunt? A fail scope isnt hitting anything at any range......and vortex has a high scope failure rate as compared to many others. Nice to have that backup rifle, but once you miss a few times with that unbeknownst failed vortex scope that backup rifle might as well be a brick because that ram will be in the next county. You may not even see another ram after that. A Vortex? Seriously? Might as well mount your 1975 Bushnell Banner 3x9, at least you would look the part with that pre-64.

This hunt was dome with a vortex and a back up rifle
long watch and kinda frustrating if you’re a avid sheep hunter

 

[stanginthe11s]

I wonder how us old timers ever killed anything before high end scopes were made?

 

[madcalfe]

I wonder how us old timers ever killed anything before high end scopes were made?

lol ahhh I reccon that's about 400 yards, just hold the crosshairs at the spine and ill be good.

 

[cmahoney]

lol ahhh I reccon that's about 400 yards, just hold the crosshairs at the spine and ill be good.

Exactly and 5 or 6 rounds later


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[madcalfe]

lol ahhh I reccon that's about 400 yards, just hold the crosshairs at the spine and ill be good.

and I say this with the upmost respect to you "old timers"
my grandfather use to guide bighorns in BC, he was the one that got me into hunting.
When I built my custom 300wsm a few years ago I showed up with a kahles k318i on it
and got the ahhh look at this big useless scope, all these dials. there's just more shit on this thing to break and go wrong. (for reference he uses a old steel tubed leupold 2-10 from the 90's) Don't get me started on the brake. These things are useless all they do is make the gun way to loud and unbearable to shoot out in the woods.
Fast forward to now his 300wm has a brake and I lent him my kahles cause i switched to a nightforce and he's tickled pink. Turns out you can teach a old dog new tricks

 

[MattB]

That may be true but you can’t beat the warranty.


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Best, and most used in the industry.

 

[SDHNTR]

and I say this with the upmost respect to you "old timers"
my grandfather use to guide bighorns in BC, he was the one that got me into hunting.
When I built my custom 300wsm a few years ago I showed up with a kahles k318i on it
and got the ahhh look at this big useless scope, all these dials. there's just more shit on this thing to break and go wrong. (for reference he uses a old steel tubed leupold 2-10 from the 90's) Don't get me started on the brake. These things are useless all they do is make the gun way to loud and unbearable to shoot out in the woods.
Fast forward to now his 300wm has a brake and I lent him my kahles cause i switched to a nightforce and he's tickled pink. Turns out you can teach a old dog new tricks

I took my 79 yr old uncle on a hog hunt (open country, longer shots, not your typical hog hunt) a few weeks ago. He had his trusty Ruger 270 and was all excited about his new VX3 3-10 that was such a big upgrade over the 4x he had before. After missing 11 times at 5 or 6 different pigs (all were inside of 350, but most were over 200) he admitted he just wasn’t comfortable shooting over 150 yards because he had never had to. I set him up behind my 7 mag on a bipod and blew his mind. Sometimes you don’t know what you don’t know.

 

[SDHNTR]

This hunt was dome with a vortex and a back up rifle
long watch and kinda frustrating if you’re a avid sheep hunter

My goodness that was painful to watch!

 

[HuntHarder]

This site is starting to slowly turn toxic. This guy comes in asking a simple question and some of the responses are far from an answer. Let's not ruin this site like the others. I wouldn't use a Vortex either, but to each their own.
A couple guys gave him the info he needed to answer his questions, nice work! Not Everyone that hunts is as extreme as some of us. Not everyone that hunts needs or cares, to ever shoot out to 800 yards. Not everyone hates guides so much, that they make dumb comments about guides shooting the animal or using the guides gun.

To the OP, Good luck on your hunt, shoot a giant at 200 yards and post a pic with your Vortex scope on it. A couple guys gave you some ballistic calculators to use and that will help answer your question. Honestly inside of 300 yards the difference will be minimal. I notice atmospheric conditions really start mattering around 400+ yards.

 

[ResearchinStuff]

Hardly toxic, but we are really close to actually becoming an informed community. I see a lot of good advice in this thread. Jbm was one of the first recommendations, and a few guys definitely held themselves back.

On the flip side, this guy has one of the most coveted tags in the country and is clueless about basic ballistics.

Maybe instead of time in wait based points systems there should be an exam based system. 100 questions about the unit, species, and weapons platform facts, every correct answer gets you another chance in the lottery. Fail the test and all your entries are withdrawn.

 

[MattB]

This hunt was dome with a vortex and a back up rifle
long watch and kinda frustrating if you’re a avid sheep hunter

Missed twice, shot and lost another, and then borrowed a rifle and killed one. Seems like a lot of that frustration and waste could have been avoided.

 

[bdan68]

Sounds like there's a bunch of professional snipers on this board. What ever happened to actually hunting, and getting close to an animal before taking a shot.

 

[cmahoney]

Sounds like there's a bunch of professional snipers on this board. What ever happened to actually hunting, and getting close to an animal before taking a shot.

Does that require using garbage scopes?


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[bdan68]

Does that require using garbage scopes?


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Depends on your definition of "garbage scopes" I guess. I like my Leupold VX1 3-9x40 scopes and my Burris Fullfield 3-9x40. My high priced scope is my Leupold VX-III 3.5-10x40, and a couple years ago I splurged and got a Zeiss 3-15. They all seem to work about the same on deer, elk, and antelope out to 380 yards, as that's the longest shot I've taken. But, I'm just a hunter, not a sniper.

 

[madcalfe]

Sounds like there's a bunch of professional snipers on this board. What ever happened to actually hunting, and getting close to an animal before taking a shot.

this also isn't your over the counter whitetail tag....
what most people are echoing here is with this tag
why not be sure every variable of your equipment is good to go.
yea sure the scope could be fine and hold zero
yea sure you could get into 200 yards and shoot one
but what if on the last day the hunt you make a 500 yard shot
cause that's the only opportunity you were presented with and bam
you missed, your rifle is now shooting 3ft to the left.
you would feel pretty dumb cause everyone on here told you "if you can upgrade your scope"

 

[cmahoney]

Depends on your definition of "garbage scopes" I guess. I like my Leupold VX1 3-9x40 scopes and my Burris Fullfield 3-9x40. My high priced scope is my Leupold VX-III 3.5-10x40, and a couple years ago I splurged and got a Zeiss 3-15. They all seem to work about the same on deer, elk, and antelope out to 380 yards, as that's the longest shot I've taken. But, I'm just a hunter, not a sniper.

It’s a scope that doesn’t hold zero or track.


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[S-3 ranch]

It’s a scope that doesn’t hold zero or track.


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I agree on holding zero , but tracking is unnecessary if your not relying on turrets or a calulator for environmental impact and use rote memory that Can only be imbedded by practice and prudence

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