Grizzly-1, Hiker-0

[BuzzH]

Nice deflection Buzz. @Pacific_Fork is correct. Bears in huntable areas will be more like to associate humans with danger if they're hunted.

I don't agree.

 

[WRO]

What a dumb post.

In all of north America, 2-5 people die a year from bear attacks, combined black bear and grizzlies.

Around 65 people a year die from bee stings.

Should we kill off every bee?

I suggest you stay on the pavement, you'll be safe from bears there.

Bees inhabit the whole nation, grizzlies a very small amount..

Nice false equivalency..

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[RMM]

I don't agree.

I don't understand your thinking. You claim that black bear predatory attacks are more common than grizzlies. I dont know about you, but whenever I see a black bear when I'm hunting and they know a human is around they hightail it out of there. Could it be because they are hunted? Would grizzlies not associate humans with danger if they were hunted too?

 

[*zap*]

Where black bears are not hunted they are not afraid of people...go right into campsites for food...

Where black bears are hunted regularly they are shy of people...

Same behavior exhibited by deer.....state park deer (never hunted) will eat grass 20' from people sitting around a campfire. Vehicles with the 'deer watchers' drive past at 20-30' away and the deer ignore them. Where deer are hunted that type of behavior in almost never seen....hunting pressure, especially firearm hunting pressure definitely effects how those animals behave. You can see the difference between non hunting areas, bowhunting only areas and firearm hunting areas...very easily if your in tune with how the animals behave in those areas...

 

[BuzzH]

Where black bears are not hunted they are not afraid of people...go right into campsites for food...

Where black bears are hunted regularly they are shy of people...

Same behavior exhibited by deer.....state park deer (never hunted) will eat grass 20' from people sitting around a campfire. Vehicles with the 'deer watchers' drive past at 20-30' away and the deer ignore them. Where deer are hunted that type of behavior in almost never seen....hunting pressure, especially firearm hunting pressure definitely effects how those animals behave. You can see the difference between non hunting areas, bowhunting only areas and firearm hunting areas...very easily if your in tune with how the animals behave in those areas...

With bears you're describing, it has nothing to with hunting and 100% about being food conditioned.

 

[BuzzH]

I don't understand your thinking. You claim that black bear predatory attacks are more common than grizzlies. I dont know about you, but whenever I see a black bear when I'm hunting and they know a human is around they hightail it out of there. Could it be because they are hunted? Would grizzlies not associate humans with danger if they were hunted too?

I don't claim anything that's what the statistics say...do some research.

The only grizzly (actually a brown bear and cub) I've had trouble with were food conditioned from some careless bear watchers Saw 32 brown bears and with the exception of the sow and cub, every one ran off if they winded us or sensed we were there. The only one that didn't run off was one my buddy killed.

I've had only one sort of bad encounter in the lower 48...and it was a curiosity thing with a youngish boar.

 

[MTWop]

Where black bears are not hunted they are not afraid of people...go right into campsites for food...

Where black bears are hunted regularly they are shy of people...

Same behavior exhibited by deer.....state park deer (never hunted) will eat grass 20' from people sitting around a campfire. Vehicles with the 'deer watchers' drive past at 20-30' away and the deer ignore them. Where deer are hunted that type of behavior in almost never seen....hunting pressure, especially firearm hunting pressure definitely effects how those animals behave. You can see the difference between non hunting areas, bowhunting only areas and firearm hunting areas...very easily if your in tune with how the animals behave in those areas...

This would work if there were an adequate number of tags to ensure that other bears were educated by either being shot at or witnessing other bears die. If a grizzly gets shot in the paradise valley, I have a hard time believing any griz in the cabinet range will somehow get the memo it’s open season for one or two griz STATEWIDE. Unfortunately I don’t think there’s any chance of MT issuing enough tags to make this argument hold water (I wish you were right)

 

[RMM]

I don't claim anything that's what the statistics say...do some research.

The only grizzly (actually a brown bear and cub) I've had trouble with were food conditioned from some careless bear watchers Saw 32 brown bears and with the exception of the sow and cub, every one ran off if they winded us or sensed we were there. The only one that didn't run off was one my buddy killed.

I've had only one sort of bad encounter in the lower 48...and it was a curiosity thing with a youngish boar.

Oh trust me, I'm well aware of your "statistics" like the gem about dogs killing more game than wolves. Just like CNN, you use stats that fit your narrative.

 

[long hunter]

Helpless client? You mean the hapless idiot from Florida who is the one hunter on the planet that can't shoot a Glock and ran off and abandoned the guide? That fool? Hell, he flew back to Florida before they had even retrieved the guide's body. I hope he never leaves the state of Florida again. Ever.

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In a sense I agree with you to a point, it is difficult to speculate on ones re-actions to a imminent threat, your autominical nervous system takes complete control of your actions, at which time instinct kicks in,if one does not contiously practice the senerio in there mind such as I will do this when this happens they are allready behind the curve, bye constantly honing ones skill for hostile assault you are still behind the curve, Bye no means am I defending the guy just laying out my thoughts on survival in a bad situation, we all act different in those type of incidents it is called fight or flight syndrome and it is not a judgement call we are situated for or aginst another, Sure we as arm chair quarter backs like to think I would of handled this differently panic is a strange commander of the human mind. We all like to think I would of stayed and fought until we won or we are both dead, situational awareness goes a long way in these training senerios but is not a guarantee until faced with those decisions.

 

[BuzzH]

Oh trust me, I'm well aware of your "statistics" like the gem about dogs killing more game than wolves. Just like CNN, you use stats that fit your narrative.

Wrong, domestic dogs kill more livestock than wolves in the US...which is a fact.

What's that memory aid stuff they advertise on T.V. and the radio?...you might consider giving it a whirl.

 

[RMM]

Wrong, domestic dogs kill more livestock than wolves in the US...which is a fact.

What's that memory aid stuff they advertise on T.V. and the radio?...you might consider giving it a whirl.

You're correct it was livestock. My mistake. You spew so much BS its hard to keep up. But again, in true Buzz fashion, you left out the fact that this is not true in states where wolves actually exist.

Have you ever thought about working for CNN? I'm sure you would do well working for them.

 

[BuzzH]

You're correct it was livestock. My mistake. You spew so much BS its hard to keep up. But again, in true Buzz fashion, you left out the fact that this is not true in states where wolves actually exist.

Have you ever thought about working for CNN? I'm sure you would do well working for them.

Speaking of dogs...about 30 people a year are killed by domestic dogs.

Six-eight times more likely to get killed by fido than yogi. Around 4.5 million dog bites a year as well...know how many people a year are bit from bears?

 

[Ten Bears]

Speaking of dogs...about 30 people a year are killed by domestic dogs.

Six-eight times more likely to get killed by fido than yogi. Around 4.5 million dog bites a year as well...know how many people a year are bit from bears?

Go to bed you troll and stop with the stupid non sensical comparisons. Do you even have a job ?

 

[BuzzH]

Go to bed you troll and stop with the stupid non sensical comparisons. Do you even have a job ?

Facts get under your skin or just having a bad day?

Cheer up it's Sunday.

 

[Ten Bears]

Facts get under your skin or just having a bad day?

Cheer up it's Sunday.

Here’s the deal.

There are roughly 76 million dogs in the United States. Most are pets that live inside with their owners.

There are roughly 630000 bears in the US. None live inside with their owners.

So let’s run a stupid experiment to prove your asinine comparison.

I will live with my short hair.

You pick a bear, brown or black. I don’t discriminate. Have it move in with your family.

Let’s see whose mammal attacks first.

Deal ?

 

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[Team4LongGun]

In a sense I agree with you to a point, it is difficult to speculate on ones re-actions to a imminent threat, your autominical nervous system takes complete control of your actions, at which time instinct kicks in,if one does not contiously practice the senerio in there mind such as I will do this when this happens they are allready behind the curve, bye constantly honing ones skill for hostile assault you are still behind the curve, Bye no means am I defending the guy just laying out my thoughts on survival in a bad situation, we all act different in those type of incidents it is called fight or flight syndrome and it is not a judgement call we are situated for or aginst another, Sure we as arm chair quarter backs like to think I would of handled this differently panic is a strange commander of the human mind. We all like to think I would of stayed and fought until we won or we are both dead, situational awareness goes a long way in these training senerios but is not a guarantee until faced with those decisions.

Spot on. An educated and trained man. Rare but refreshing to see. Especially with the ego-maniacal “what if” scenarios that plague most men. Bravado BS is so rampant these days, until one goes through an event-very humbling.

However-that dude who apparently vapor locked and could have saved a mans life is a piece of garbage in my book. If only the protected weak could meet the demise of some of the brave.

 

[Cowbell]

If I had the tag there would be no wounding loss, no missing and it's 100 percent sure a grizzly would be dead.

Humble much? For a man to speak like this at your age, it really says a lot about you....

 

[Cowbell]

Speaking of dogs...about 30 people a year are killed by domestic dogs.

Six-eight times more likely to get killed by fido than yogi. Around 4.5 million dog bites a year as well...know how many people a year are bit from bears?

And what is the population of domestic dogs vs. bears vs. wolves in the U.S.? Context is usually important for the educated as yourself...

There are ways to be respectful to others without sharing their opinions. I agree with many of the things you say on this forum but the way you treat people and the way you talk down to people makes me glad that I don't know you personally like many others on here do. Remember there are young hunters on this forum and you could be a role model instead of being a disrespectful human being. You definitely weren't raised by my parents.

 

[alpinebuck]

Right and people with 4 kids die in plane crashes, die from gun violence, car wrecks, accidents at work, atv crashes, bee stings, the list is endless

We tend to not want to get rid of cars, guns, bees, or airplanes over it though.

No reason to get rid of bears because a few people are killed by them either.

Irrational response to something that likely doesn't impact you personally in any way, shape or form.

IMO you are taking a human life too lightly.