Grizzly-1, Hiker-0

[Will_m]

Theres a reason the old timers killed them off. Yet we have liberal disney-minded people who want em everywhere. How many folks have to die before people start protecting thselves?

The old timers killed everything off. They were short sighted idiots.

I like grizzlies and am glad they are doing well. That being said, the fact that you can’t hunt them is equally as stupid as the kill ‘em all mentality (not saying you are of that camp).

 

[Rich M]

I respect your over reaction to a species you'll likely never encounter. Also your concern about a place you don't live, work, or recreate in is dually noted.

I'll take your concerns into the level of consideration appropriate when the state of Wyoming regains management of grizzlies. Management determined by the residents of Wyoming.

Feel free to manage the grizzlies in your state...and bees.

BTW - Wasn't being sarcastic.

Yes - we do manage the bees by panting stuff for them to eat.

The panthers down here and the black bears get all kinds of special perks cause they live in the world of Disney - folks actually fight against the hunting seasons so they can get special bear proof garbage cans delivered (we've had bears popping up in downtown Orlando in the past couple of years). The panther numbers are a fraction of the bear's and they seem to be doing fine.

I do recreate in WY from time to time, and do avoid the bear areas due to a physical handicap that would put me at a severe disadvantage. Likewise not gonna go salmon fishing with the bears in AK - would be fun but I'd want a handful of very loud dogs with me to distract the bear, and let me know it is even there.

I never had a significant issue with the 90/10 management of WY by WY - my main issue is what about the guys who were almost there and then had the rug pulled out from under their feet. I feel for them cause they got screwed. After that it was just fun to play along.

The whole future 90/10 for EDA, thing made me go forward and book that bucket list antelope trip with an outfitter as opposed to playing the points game anymore. It costs a little more but feels good - and it shaved, probably 5 years off the wait for that tag. So, we get to plan & do something else instead of continually applying and having to buy points over the 5 years and do that. Win-win.

 

[BuzzH]

I was 100 percent with you until you made this absurd statement. Demonstrably false. There are numerous cases of people being pulled out of tents while sleeping. There was a lady in Yellowstone a few years ago who was pulled out of her tent in the middle of the night... sleeping with headphones on.... she wasn't kicking any hive. There was some dumb stuff around what happened to that lady in Ovando last year but that bear came after her, it wasn't the other way around. That same bear was killed after it killed a ladies chickens and then busted into her house... fortunately she wasn't home at the time or that could have been a second fatality.

I think grizzlies are amazing animals, and I feel blessed to live in an area where I can see them, but let's not pretend that they are harmless critters just living their lives. They are opportunistic predators and will absolutely kill even when unprovoked. It's not the norm, and I agree that over-reacting is never good, but let's be real here.



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Sleeping with headphones on, always a good idea in grizzly country.

Yes, the Ovando incident was ridiculous...she was warned about that bear and ignored.

Rarely is a bear unprovoked in an attack, and if they are its typically a food conditioned bear, like the one in Ovando.

 

[CJ19]

I thought this fatal attack happened in MT. You have no business weighing in on how you would manage it buzz, not your state.

 

[MJB]

Hazing does work it's been proven over the years.
If every town encounter with a human had hazing, that bear would move on, he'd test it every so often but would move on.
In the wild you are entering their land plan accordingly.

 

[SWFLhntr]

Hey Buzz don’t make Rich M and I go all Florida Man on you. We’ll bring you over here and make you drive I4 erryday for a month. Then you’ll want to kill everything.

 

[Where's Bruce?]

Praying for the family, nothing in life prepares you for such things.

When bow hunting in Canada you cannot carry a sidearm, just spray. You must have a guide, mine carried a 45-70 Govt lever gun, would have preferred a shotgun. Stomping around in grizzly country with sticks and a string was about as alive as I have ever felt...just electrifying. The look on my guide's face when he found warm grizz scat is something I will never forget. There was no quick exit. But I have always dismissed the worries of my death, believing it to be predetermined. So maybe I'm wrong but this belief makes it easy to enjoy long motorcycle trips, amazing backcountry treks, all kinds of things others fear. And frankly, given the choice between being killed by a grizzly or dying in hospice...I would choose the bear. My greatest fear is dying as a useless piece of meat with a hose up my keister, IVs, catheter & colostomy bag...unable to do anything other than lie there and wait for death as I waste away. Another one in the family passed just yesterday. Seen that too many times in my life. Not a good death. I may have watched a certain movie too many times.

 

[BuzzH]

Also, pistols and spray must be ready and available. Wyoming guide Mark Uptain had a 10mm when he was killed in 2018. He’d taken it off to work on the carcass and that sow was on him before he could do anything. Mark eventually got his bear spray deployed but he’d already sustained non-survivable injuries.

I didn’t really know Mark but I used to see him around. And I used to see his little boy in church wearing his daddy’s Stetson - hat too big coming down over his ears. That will make you choke up.

Very good point, and knowing HOW to use the spray and firearm when the shit hits the fan. Practice, both with spray and firearms.

Another good idea is to know the seasonal areas that grizzlies tend to concentrate, ask biologists and locals where bears are most likely to be at certain times of the year.

I take lots of precautions when I work, hunt, and otherwise recreate in grizzly areas. For work, I'm up to speed on areas to avoid at certain times of the year. I work those areas when there is the lowest possible chance of seeing or being around bears. I carry TWO cans of spray, practice with it a couple times a year and go NOWHERE without it.

When I hunted sheep near Cody, I hung all my food, kept a spotless camp, ate dinner 100 yards from my tent, washed out all the mountain house bags in the creek. I hung anything, including toothpaste, that would even remotely resemble something a bear would eat.

I backpacked in an electric fence, if I went to fill water bottles, my rifle came with.

Doesn't completely eliminate something bad from happening, but, if you do all you can and still come up short...shit happens.

Frankly, I'd rather die getting mauled by a grizzly than laying on my bedsores in a nursing home with bottled oxygen and a feeding tube.

Oh, and finally a pretty funny, but relevant story about having your spray and firearm available.. My good friend in Cody, who has lived, guided, and hunted there for his entire life illustrated the importance of having your firearm/bear spray handy. He was guiding a client for archery elk and tied up the horses and walked about 100 yards off the trail to bugle. He hung his pistol on the saddlehorn when they walked over to bugle.

Sure enough, a grizzly came right in on them and the client told my friend to get his pistol out, that he didn't have. The client said, "Well what do we do now?" My friend said, "Get out your bear spray and take your beating like a man".

The bear eventually left without any trouble and I can tell you my buddy never has left his firearm on the saddlehorn since.

 

[BuzzH]

I thought this fatal attack happened in MT. You have no business weighing in on how you would manage it buzz, not your state.

Yellowstone grizzlies are not managed as separate populations in the GYE between Wyoming, Idaho and Montana.

Each state's Management has to be coordinated with the 3 states involved...Montana, Wyoming, and Idaho in regard to the GYE.

Its a shared management plan, and right now, since grizzlies are still under the ESA you, me and every other US citizen absolutely have all the business we need to weigh in on grizzly management. When the States take control, you won't have much of a voice anymore in grizzly management unless you're a resident of ID, MT, or WY.

That's why the folks that don't want grizzlies hunted want to keep them under ESA control, their voice is relevant and carries more clout.

Nice try though...its just you don't understand the policy, most don't and that's unfortunate.

 

[Ucsdryder]

What a dumb post.

In all of north America, 2-5 people die a year from bear attacks, combined black bear and grizzlies.

Around 65 people a year die from bee stings.

Should we kill off every bee?

I suggest you stay on the pavement, you'll be safe from bears there.

When there are grizzly bears in 50 states, including cities, parks, back yards, front yards, school yards, etc then your analogy might start to make sense. I don’t think we need to eliminate them, but managing them and reducing numbers significantly is a great start.

 

[bsnedeker]

Sleeping with headphones on, always a good idea in grizzly country.

Yes, the Ovando incident was ridiculous...she was warned about that bear and ignored.

Rarely is a bear unprovoked in an attack, and if they are its typically a food conditioned bear, like the one in Ovando.

Never said she was smart. Point is simply that, while rare, there are predatory attacks on people. To ignore that is to ignore reality.

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[CJ19]

Yellowstone grizzlies are not managed as separate populations in the GYE between Wyoming, Idaho and Montana.

Each state's Management has to be coordinated with the 3 states involved...Montana, Wyoming, and Idaho in regard to the GYE.

Its a shared management plan, and right now, since grizzlies are still under the ESA you, me and every other US citizen absolutely have all the business we need to weigh in on grizzly management. When the States take control, you won't have much of a voice anymore in grizzly management unless you're a resident of ID, MT, or WY.

That's why the folks that don't want grizzlies hunted want to keep them under ESA control, their voice is relevant and carries more clout.

Nice try though...its just you don't understand the policy, most don't and that's unfortunate.

Ive read some pretty convincing material by several big wildlife protection groups about why these animals should remain an endangered species so trophy hunters cant put their population back in peril. I think they have quite a few biologists and celebrities that have contributed to their case and seems to make a lot of sense. you wont even be eating these bears should you kill one, would you? Just a trophy?

 

[BuzzH]

Never said she was smart. Point is simply that, while rare, there are predatory attacks on people. To ignore that is to ignore reality.

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Very rare but it does happen...and much more common in black bears than grizzlies.

 

[bsnedeker]

Ive read some pretty convincing material by several big wildlife protection groups about why these animals should remain an endangered species so trophy hunters cant put their population back in peril. I think they have quite a few biologists and celebrities that have contributed to their case and seems to make a lot of sense. you wont even be eating these bears should you kill one, would you? Just a trophy?

I would absolutely eat a mountain grizzly. I've heard bad things about coastal brown bears that primarily eat fish, but I've read good reports on interior bears. You just need to cook it thoroughly like any other predator. Black bear tastes great, don't see why a grizz would be fundamentally different.

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[3325]

Ive read some pretty convincing material by several big wildlife protection groups about why these animals should remain an endangered species so trophy hunters cant put their population back in peril.

Has legal trophy hunting alone ever put a population in peril? Maybe it has and I just don’t know about it, but my sense of it is that market hunting (legal and illegal), predator elimination (legal and illegal), and habitat loss historically put populations in peril.

I don’t doubt that trophy hunting populations that were already in peril from one of the above contributed but can you really make a case that legal trophy hunting alone has ever put a population in peril?

 

[BuzzH]

When there are grizzly bears in 50 states, including cities, parks, back yards, front yards, school yards, etc then your analogy might start to make sense. I don’t think we need to eliminate them, but managing them and reducing numbers significantly is a great start.

Nobody is forcing you to put yourself at risk in grizzly country.

Doubtful I'll ever die from gun violence in a gang related shooting in Chicago or Detroit as i have determined the risk isn't worth it to me. I have no desire to tell either how to run their cities.

If I were to determine the risk of hunting in grizzly country was not worth it, I would assume the risk or hunt elsewhere. I have no desire to reduce grizzlies populations to accommodate or reduce your risk.

Wildlife management based on biological science, not social science is the only way to fly...and there's a big difference between the 2.

 

[Ucsdryder]

Wildlife management based on biological science, not social science is the only way to fly...and there's a big difference between the 2.

You can say that again!!!!

 

[maxp]

I do not have much to say with this but feel for the family...I do like the analogy of bees though...I can go to the local hardware store and buy bee and wasp spray and deal with them as I see fit if they become a problem...I think thats why many are saying managed hunting would be supported...I live in Alberta and hunt around grizzlies every year

 

[roadrunner]

Maybe he did and didn't see it coming. Let's wait for details before playing armchair quarterback

Simply stating a fact as to why you pack deadly defense in big predator country is all. Most people couldn't effectively use a Mac 10 in a fight or flight situation either, but it's better to have it and....

The ESA and fed judge rulings be damned...

 

[RMM]

Very rare but it does happen...and much more common in black bears than grizzlies.

If grizzly populations were at black bear numbers this wouldn't be the case.