Grizzly-1, Hiker-0

[mtwarden]

I saw that. It seems insane to me to not pursue and kill a bear that killed someone regardless of circumstances.

They’ll often do that in cases of sow and cubs. Without all the details, hard to make a judgment call.

 

[Pacific_Fork]

They’ll often do that in cases of sow and cubs. Without all the details, hard to make a judgment call.

Who gets to make the call and how high up does it go?

 

[mtwarden]

Who gets to make the call and how high up does it go?

The bear response team (actually WHART wildlife human attack response team) protocols they follow, but it’s not uncommon to have any decisions floated up to the Regional Supervisor and in some cases I’m sure to the Director.

 

[Kilboars]

Wow:-/

That right where my friends and I hunt.


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[slick]

How does one hide any and all grizzly threads?

Love the bravado of all the macho men on here who think that a dead bear is capable of learning.

Hunt them sure. No way no how 7 bears in MT, 22 in WY and 1 in ID all of the sudden changes grizzly bear behavior that happens at an evolutionary level- in addition to all of the bears already euthanized by MTFWP, IDFG, and WYFG, road kill, misidentified during legal hunting seasons, and/or nuisance bears whom get lethally removed by the general public.

Last I saw grizzly's don't aggregate on salmon streams like they do in AK where watching their neighbor get shot would then be a learned behavior. Bears are either afraid of people or they aren't. When they are afraid they don't attack unless startled or defending something. When they aren't afraid they do some things that put us in danger whether that's food driven, predatory, etc. Put a hunt in place, watch people still get mauled and/or die in grizzly country as development around the GYE and NCDE continue to increase, and watch all these jabronies put their foot in their mouth.

 

[S.Clancy]

I saw that. It seems insane to me to not pursue and kill a bear that killed someone regardless of circumstances.

Alot of times there are so many bears in the area it would be difficult to kill the "right" bear without killing several. This was often the case in WY.


Whenever these topics come up here, everyone turns into Uncle Rico....The biggest takeaway from pretty much all these atttacks is to practice good avoidance tactics:

1. Avoid travel routes, like riparian areas, early and late in the day.

2. If possible, make noise. Working in NW WY we were basically yelling all day "Hey Bear!" Sure, it sounds stupid, but we never had an encounter in 4 yrs in a HEAVILY used G-bear area. Obviously, this is not ideal in all situations, like stalking, but shed hunting, returning to a kill site, etc just do a fair amount of yelling.

3. Know how to use you Bear Pro, whether gun or spray, and have it on your person AT ALL TIMES.

4. Be on alert, all day, all the time. This is more difficult than it sounds, evidenced by the number of people that I casually approach in the woods that have no idea I am there.

5. Finally, don't be unlucky. Sometimes you do everything right but are just in the wrong place, at the wrong time, with the wrong bear.

Stay safe out there.

 

[ThunderJack49]

Or a poor black fellow, just tryin to get by.

Do you care to elaborate?

 

[KHNC]

Do you care to elaborate?

Media. Usually results in burned businesses and riots. Or , you could just think of it as a joke, like Steve Martin did years ago. Google it.

 

[MTWop]

Agree. Odd remark for a thread talking about the death of a man by grizzly bear

 

[Elk97]

There are a couple of ways to donate and help this family. Info and links in the article below. Seems a noble cause to me.

Livingston rallies around family of man killed by a bear

Craig Clouatre was known throughout Livingston as a family man who loved the outdoors.

www.bozemandailychronicle.com

 

[MTWop]

Agreed. Donation sent

 

[Wrench]

Interesting.....one post says pressure is useless against bears, the next post says that bears have stayed away from humans when the bears know they're humans.

Sounds to me like bears respond to pressure a reasonable amount of the time and so not want confrontation.

Sounds very supportive to a hunt.

 

[Elk97]

From my limited experience with grizzlies they are a completely different critter than a black bear. Most seem to have at least some fear of man but a percentage of them realize they're the apex predator in the woods and have a real attitude. A mom with cubs, you're in trouble. So I don't think that limited hunting is going to instill a general fear of man into many of them. I do think that there are way too many of them in the high density areas around YStone and maybe Glacier but I'm not familiar with that area. I also believe strongly that there are a lot more griz than the current official figures estimate and that they should be hunted down to a much lower number in those areas. There are too many encounters and people getting mauled and killed. I choose to hunt those areas and take full responsibility for what might happen but those areas are also high use recreational areas full of people that just don't understand how many griz are there.

 

[slick]

Interesting.....one post says pressure is useless against bears, the next post says that bears have stayed away from humans when the bears know they're humans.

Sounds to me like bears respond to pressure a reasonable amount of the time and so not want confrontation.

Sounds very supportive to a hunt.

Post 1 says that a hunting season would not change bear behavior due to lack of evolutionary processes that have made them successful. It also says some bears are not afraid of humans, and that those bears are dangerous. Sure some of those bears could be hunted and killed. It also mentions that most bears don’t want to be around humans.

Post 2 says that individuals recreating in bear country could utilize noise and other human disturbances to warn bears of approaching humans. Which would also fall in line with post 1 when it says most bears are fearful of humans.

Your misinterpretation of the two posts to support your stance is obtuse.

Also, why do bears still kill people in Alaska? They’ve been shooting them since beginning of time.

There’s a very simple reason for all of this and a hunt won’t change that people will still be mauled and/or killed.

 

[Wrench]

Slick, ever been to Katmai? They don't give a crap about humans.....they see them everyday. The biggest problem is usually in the urban/suburbs where adolescent bears get pushed to and zero human hunting pressure exists.

Now look to priest lake where lots of bear hunting pressure exists. Griz tend to bail from humans if given the chance.

I have been within feet of griz who could care less about me because they were more interested in raiding our garbage.....griz certainly follow Pavlov's theory....but it takes training.

 

[tdhanses]

I was just wondering how afraid of humans are the griz/brown bears in Canada and AK, maybe even look at Russia as well, until recently they were hunted in all these places. All seem to have plenty of maulings.

 

[slick]

Some bears are afraid of humans and some bears aren’t. Even in Katmai.

The reason this is happening at a high rate is purely coincidental to the rampant pace of development and number of users recreating within a bear population that’s increasing, therefore, the odds of an encounter rate is increased. If density of either are decreased encounter rate decreases.

Why do the bears still come into Katmai when there are bears that are dangerous/nuisance and removed there?

 

[fatbacks]

Bummer for the family... just donated to their fam.

 

[Wrench]

Some bears are afraid of humans and some bears aren’t. Even in Katmai.

The reason this is happening at a high rate is purely coincidental to the rampant pace of development and number of users recreating within a bear population that’s increasing, therefore, the odds of an encounter rate is increased. If density of either are decreased encounter rate decreases.

Why do the bears still come into Katmai when there are bears that are dangerous/nuisance and removed there?

Endless fish and no hunting to kill the bears.

 

[slick]

This is the last I’ll post…

But those bears would still exist there with or without hunting, just like the entire rest of the area.