Getting out of California

[Dunndm]

Many of the larger cities in MT have ok medical car for emergencies as well as good dental care. Sure, you may have to drive an hour to get to one. For unusual or extreme illnesses, you might have to leave the state. I’m personally ok with that.

“Western MT” is a lot of area. It’s bigger than a lot of states.

Do look at the climate data for the areas you are interested in. The weather can vary a lot depending on which side of the mountain ranges you are on.

Politics varies as well. For instance, Missoula locked down for Covid while the county just South of it did the two weeks to slow the spread. Similarly, communities South of Missoula explicitly said kids aren’t getting time off for the kid protests while Missoula encouraged it.

All of the voting data is online. Seems to me that CA, WA, and OR are getting so bad that even Ds are moving out. Time will tell what that does to MT.

Not to get political, but it seems like anywhere “good” you move gets overrun by Ds. The only places that don’t are out in the suburbs or small little towns because you actually need to work and you won’t get “drowned out” if you are a moron. With everything in life, moderation is key I guess. I’m moving from South Carolina (outside of Charleston) back to CA soon because I can’t do the weather and most the people here thay live around me sold in CA and are dems. I’m fortunate to live in a wealthy area, but it’s a bunch of CA dems. Figure if I live by all of them in bad weather might as well move back to where I was born and raised.


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[long hunter]

Kind of like If I had a farm in california and my home was in hell I would sell my farm and go home type of thing.

 

[260madman]

No…. I think we have more than our fair share of them haha the rest of the country needs to experience the Kalifornians

Wisconsin is full. No vacancy. We can annex Madison and Milwaukee to Illinois, thanks.

 

[SWOHTR]

Wisconsin is full. No vacancy. We can annex Madison and Milwaukee to Illinois, thanks.

I left, they can have my spot.

 

[260madman]

Not to get political, but it seems like anywhere “good” you move gets overrun by Ds. The only places that don’t are out in the suburbs or small little towns because you actually need to work and you won’t get “drowned out” if you are a moron. With everything in life, moderation is key I guess. I’m moving from South Carolina (outside of Charleston) back to CA soon because I can’t do the weather and most the people here thay live around me sold in CA and are dems. I’m fortunate to live in a wealthy area, but it’s a bunch of CA dems. Figure if I live by all of them in bad weather might as well move back to where I was born and raised.


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Depends on your definition of “good”.

 

[Bubba]

This is what its like to live in California as a Conservative.... Liberals which are mostly Dem's " If you don't respect difference's of other people then you're a racist. Oh, you hunt and kill animals.... You Piece of sh!T, go kill yourself! They are the biggest hypocrites on the earth.... They want you to respect their way of life but they and adjust tp them. But if you are different from them and they don't agree with your way of life they will come full throttle at you! I live here in California and everyday I want to pick up and leave but my career as a firefighter is to good. It hard to leave this kind of weather but I want mountains where i can hunt elk and deer. I want kind people that are not always in a rush. I want to be surrounded by country people. Retirement for me is 5 to 9 years out. I brain washing my kids to leave California, if i can get them to leave then mom will follow. Not all Californians are bad. but of your are a california blue support you are cancer! sorry not to offend anyone. I work with a lot of guys who say the are the conservative democrat, well they are still f'ed up!

 

[*zap*]

I would not even enter cali for any reason....maybe a large one time payment but that ain't gonna happen. Your life is what you see in front of your face so make the view one which you enjoy and your daily experiences/interactions enjoyable or at the worst bearable....grew up in the big city.....no thanks.

 

[sf jakey]

Well, I have to vent. My daughter is a freshman at Montana St in Bozeman. She is in the ag program, and absolutely loving the people and everything Montana. She is so proud of her choice and I am thrilled for her. She is a good kid, very conservative, Christian and just a perfect fit for where she is.
Today she calls me in tears. A white dodge pickup with 3 men about 30 or so pull into the Towne Pump gas station while she is getting fuel and start berating her. Telling her to go back to California. They don’t want liberals like her here etc. Lots of vulgarity and very threatening. Absolutely pathetic behavior.
I have heard of this crap, and I have read the same crap on here, but this is unbelievable. She is really shook up. Who does this to an 18 year old girl?
Bottom line, this trash talk and constant bashing hurts real people. She learned a good lesson today as well. Don’t trust anyone or any place. She knew that here in Ca, but thought she had left it behind.
And to the POS cowards who did that today, you are not anything worthy of anything. You live in Bozeman. It’s no different than any other city in America. You aren’t bad ass ranchers, cowboys or anything else. Your are dipshit loser hillbillies. No different than any city dweller parasite. You are lucky this California dad wasn’t there to teach you right from wrong.
Enough of all this bashing Ca crap. There are more republicans and trump voters here than any other state. We are the backbone of agriculture and the home of everything in cowboy culture.
I will be moving from here when I retire, but because I love the mountains and because I love the outdoors. Politicians are slimebags no matter the party, even in Montana.

 

[Augie]

Well, I have to vent. My daughter is a freshman at Montana St in Bozeman. She is in the ag program, and absolutely loving the people and everything Montana. She is so proud of her choice and I am thrilled for her. She is a good kid, very conservative, Christian and just a perfect fit for where she is.
Today she calls me in tears. A white dodge pickup with 3 men about 30 or so pull into the Towne Pump gas station while she is getting fuel and start berating her. Telling her to go back to California. They don’t want liberals like her here etc. Lots of vulgarity and very threatening. Absolutely pathetic behavior.
I have heard of this crap, and I have read the same crap on here, but this is unbelievable. She is really shook up. Who does this to an 18 year old girl?
Bottom line, this trash talk and constant bashing hurts real people. She learned a good lesson today as well. Don’t trust anyone or any place. She knew that here in Ca, but thought she had left it behind.
And to the POS cowards who did that today, you are not anything worthy of anything. You live in Bozeman. It’s no different than any other city in America. You aren’t bad ass ranchers, cowboys or anything else. Your are dipshit loser hillbillies. No different than any city dweller parasite. You are lucky this California dad wasn’t there to teach you right from wrong.
Enough of all this bashing Ca crap. There are more republicans and trump voters here than any other state. We are the backbone of agriculture and the home of everything in cowboy culture.
I will be moving from here when I retire, but because I love the mountains and because I love the outdoors. Politicians are slimebags no matter the party, even in Montana.

I sympathize for your daughter, however, you derailed your own post by getting down in the mud with those guys calling people “dipshit loser hillbillies”. Hold yourself to a higher standard and remember this is an online forum, not a place to throw a tantrum.

 

[sf jakey]

I sympathize for your daughter, however, you derailed your own post by getting down in the mud with those guys calling people “dipshit loser hillbillies”. Hold yourself to a higher standard and remember this is an online forum, not a place to throw a tantrum.

Please provide a more accurate description for the perpetrators then. I think I used appropriate descriptors based on what she told me.

 

[bsnedeker]

Please provide a more accurate description for the perpetrators then. I think I used appropriate descriptors based on what she told me.

I'm just over here trying to think of the best descriptor for a man who teaches his daughter that CA is the only place with bad people and that once she gets to MT it's all rainbows and gumdrops.

You're daughter just learned she can't trust people anywhere....this is a lesson everyone needs to learn. Be glad she learned that lesson by being on the wrong end of some harsh words rather than somthing else.

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[Bluumoon]

As you age health care becomes a more important criteria for where you live. Not something on the top of your list when younger. There are counties in south and west texas where you may have a couple of physicians, all primary care. Have a friend that lived between Laramie and Saratoga Wy, has macular degeneration, only one retina specialist in the entire state and is in Casper. One ophthalmologist in the NW quadrant of the state. No surprise that they may limit participation in some insurance plans let alone medicare or medicaid. Have another friend who lived and retired in Bayfield Co, developed a macular hole, closest retina doc was in Albuquerque, had surgery spent 2 weeks in a hotel before he could go home. When you are used to easy access it’s a rude awakening. I value living in a small rural community and accept the compromises that are required but if you have serious health issues think long and hard before the move.

I work with a couple Retina specialist in Durango. Maybe it was a while ago? In general I'm glad w have a robust helicopter/flight health service in SW CO, high acuity health care def requires at least a 4 hr trip by car.

 

[CorbLand]

My favorite thing in these type of threads is how the people say "dont worry though, I will fit it." Then some random person on the internet cracks a joke about their current state or warns them about the resentment held in places for some states and they get all pissy about it.

It takes a lot more than driving a pickup and liking hunting and fishing to fit in in small towns. If you cant handle a little ribbing on internet, what are you going to do when something happens like was posted above?

Do I think its right? No. Do I think its overstated and conducted by a small minority? Yes. Is it something that is real and should be taken into consideration? Yes.

 

[Broomd]

I left the summer of 2020 after a 21 year sentence. My wife is a native of So Cal, the 909/IE to be specific for those that know of it. She was going to be the 4th generation to live in her family homestead that was built during the start of the citrus industry coming to that area. Once her folks passed it was time. Her mother made the comment to us before passing that it was time for us to leave. That said we didn't land in a better political climate so to speak but the quality of life we feel is way improved. Closer to family and friends and a change of seasons. Not sure there is a "perfect" place and if you ever find it congrats and be grateful. I miss the mountains, trout fishing in the Sierras, deep sea fishing, authentic mexican food and a handful of people. Best of luck in your search OP.

So you left Cali for Illinois?
Unreal. No words beyond that.

 

[timmymac24]

Yes I did Broomd and have zero regrets. Friends and family matter to me strange as that is for some to comprehend. I knew the Sshow politically would be here. I have tremendous access to properties for hunting and fishing here plus my wife and I landed great teaching jobs. Life goes on...in a better direction.

 

[Broomd]

Yes I did Broomd and have zero regrets. Friends and family matter to me strange as that is for some to comprehend. I knew the Sshow politically would be here. I have tremendous access to properties for hunting and fishing here plus my wife and I landed great teaching jobs. Life goes on...in a better direction.

Was born and grew up in Illinois to pre-teens. I'll refrain from calling the place (and J.B. Pritzker) what they really are. Hint, vile.
My family has all literally run from the state in recent years. This, after years of insane taxation and devastating crime in many places.

Good luck though, I hope things work out for you and yours.

 

[timmymac24]

Thanks brother all is good. I totally get your point thankfully I live in the sticks and avoid Chicago like the plague. Try every election to change things as we did in CA.

 

[CHWine]

Retired in April to the Show Low-Lakeside AZ area. Loving everything about the place. Very friendly folks. Very conservative. Nicest summer I've ever experienced with occasional monsoon storms. Unlike CA it's green and comfortable in the summer. They say we get some snow here.....6800 ft but doesn't last long. When telling folks where we came from, most folks understand why we did.

We thought seriously about Cody WY, but the long windy winters would have worn us down. Get out of CA and life will get better fast!

 

[CorbLand]

Retired in April to the Show Low-Lakeside AZ area. Loving everything about the place. Very friendly folks. Very conservative. Nicest summer I've ever experienced with occasional monsoon storms. Unlike CA it's green and comfortable in the summer. They say we get some snow here.....6800 ft but doesn't last long. When telling folks where we came from, most folks understand why we did.

We thought seriously about Cody WY, but the long windy winters would have worn us down. Get out of CA and life will get better fast!

So lucky, my wife has family in that area and I would love to move there.

 

[Oregon]

You can be in a Liberal cess pool of state, but live in a phenomenal area. It's when the passing of laws affect you personally, then it's time to go.
I'm a perfect example. Oregon is a cesspool in a narrow area, Portland to Eugene.
I personally have not been infringed upon as of yet. Not one thing. Within 20 miles of my house there isn't much I can't kill or catch.
It will happen though. They'll tell me I can't buy ammo through the mail(Calif), can't buy gas lawn mowers(Calif), etc etc.
There is no perfect place, there are places close to perfect. In my opinion(as an outdoorsman) I live in perfect. Absolutely close to perfect. 120" a rain a year keeps the riff raff out.
Oregon Dems are getting real close to screwing up my perfect though