Form struck someone’s nerve

[Ucsdryder]

Yea, mister @Billy Goat how exactly can one get in on some of this? I have a gun, willing to fly.

Yeah, me and @CorbLand are booking tickets. We want oysters too.

 

[Mountainrancher]

I finally found a picture of these elk with 12 inches of muscle on the shoulder jvb is always hunting

 

[CorbLand]

Yall boxing me into a corner here on an open forum.

I make an offer like that, who knows what kinda crazies would show up.

God invented the ability to PM for a reason.

 

[Gstew1930]

JVB’s claim it would take decades to shoot over a hundred whitetails shows he isn’t familiar with bag limits in the south. Parts of Tennessee you can shoot 3 does a day every day of a 40ish day season. Depredation permits are pretty easy to get if you are or know a landowner. Depending on how the permit is worded, that can include bucks and those german sheperd sized does. Pretty easy to kill 100s of deer in a couple years if one were to put in the work.

Let alone the pigs. which most would argue are tougher than a whitetail (still not hard to kill). I'm willing to bet 90% of them are killed with an AR. I've killed 100s. A fagmenting bullet though the vitals takes them down very quick. We do shoot alot in the head though lol

 

[tater]

Look man... You gotta do some of the work here!!

If only i was the human equivalent of a Barnes bullet...

 

[The Guide]

Yall boxing me into a corner here on an open forum.

I make an offer like that, who knows what kinda crazies would show up.

I just ordered 500 of the AAC 77tmk ammo. I'll share, if invited... I'd drive there as I enjoy exploring the country.

Jay

 

[bojangles808]

Yea, mister @Billy Goat how exactly can one get in on some of this? I have a gun, willing to fly.

Same. I got some Hawaiian miles to burn. Wkr roundup 2025?

 

[Billy Goat]

I just ordered 500 of the AAC 77tmk ammo. I'll share, if invited... I'd drive there as I enjoy exploring the country.

Jay

It's a pretty good little haul, probably 34 hrs of actual drive time depending.

 

[The Guide]

It's a pretty good little haul, probably 34 hrs of actual drive time depending.

I used to drive 1600 miles in 24 hours to get to work. I enjoy the experience. Plus, I hate flying in the winter. I've gotten stuck in the Denver airport too many times to count. Cost me a bunch of money in day rate contracting work. Better to just drive.

Jay

 

[svivian]

I for one don't understand the push back on keeping one's anonymity. Don't many of us do that on here?

 

[Spoonbill]

Did he seriously say that?



I know guys killing 100 a year, doing depredation.

Hunters that are killing 12-15 a year, so even without permits, 100 in a decade is pretty easy to hit.

something similar. I believe it was “dozens and dozens a year but it would be decades and decades to shoots 100s of deer”
He did call southern whitetail does the size of a german shepherd, which was an interesting comparison.

 

[bojangles808]

Gonna make a limited run and sell at Western Hunt Expo

 

[Billy Goat]

I used to drive 1600 miles in 24 hours to get to work. I enjoy the experience. Plus, I hate flying in the winter. I've gotten stuck in the Denver airport too many times to count. Cost me a bunch of money in day rate contracting work. Better to just drive.

Jay

I have driven straight through on 24-32 hour trips several times. I don't have much of it in me anymore.

At least you not worried about your luggage making it, we'll, except the methhead that grabs the shit from the back of the truck at waffle house.

 

[Spoonbill]

I have driven straight through on 24-32 hour trips several times. I don't have much of it in me anymore.

At least you not worried about your luggage making it, we'll, except the methhead that grabs the shit from the back of the truck at waffle house.

Thats why you hide all your gear under pvc pipes you spray painted copper. It distracts them from what is really valuable.

 

[Billy Goat]

He did call southern whitetail does the size of a german shepherd, which was an interesting comparison.

There's areas where they are that size, south central/eastern portions of my state, and from there south, mature does can be in the 100# realm. Most of ours are probably 150 with some sprinkled in Dino Does that are 175 on the hoof. Mature bucks are 225-235# usually.

 

[BLJ]

I have driven straight through on 24-32 hour trips several times. I don't have much of it in me anymore.

At least you not worried about your luggage making it, we'll, except the methhead that grabs the shit from the back of the truck at waffle house.

Since you mentioned methheads and a Waffle House, I know you’re within driving distance for me.

 

[Mountainrancher]

I tried to listen to the second jvb episode this afternoon while driving around checking some cows. I’ll try to summarize what I listened to however I was only able to make it about half way through before turning it off

The first 12 minutes or so are of jvb “reading between the lines” and out right lying about the exo guys moose and caribou hunts this season. He specifically calls out Steve for having his caribou stay on its feet for to long and shooting a moose multiple times. He also talks about how the limited number of caribou he’s shot all died instantly. If I was Steve I would be very upset with his “friend”for his lies and comments about his own experiences he was not present for.

The next 10 or so minutes are him recommending Barnes bullets (shocking considering they sponsor his show) when using smaller calibers. He goes on to talk about how animals shot with them run for 50 or so yards then die. This is ok when it’s his experience but when Steve’s caribou does it it’s unacceptable.

The remaining 30 or so minutes I was able to listen to consisted of him reading listener messages all agreeing with him about how great the first podcast was. This seems to affirm his belief and ego that this podcast was somehow a great gift to the hunting community. The last part I listened to was him telling his listeners to share the podcast and that he hoped this would help grow his brand substantially. At this point I could no longer stand listening and I shut it off.

 

[Billy Goat]

A meme in the Christmas spirit

 

[S&S ARCHERY]

The first 12 minutes or so are of jvb “reading between the lines” and out right lying about the exo guys moose and caribou hunts this season. He specifically calls out Steve for having his caribou stay on its feet for to long and shooting a moose multiple times. He also talks about how the limited number of caribou he’s shot all died instantly. If I was Steve I would be very upset with his “friend”for his lies and comments about his own experiences he was not present for.

Hey guys weighing in here. I am working on a plan to get myself on JVB’s podcast to argue where I’m coming from / share my experiences and then vice versa for him to come and argue his points on ours. I think that will be a very good platform for both parties to discuss their viewpoints.

Admittedly this is all fun for me, everything kills and can kill well in the right hands. The shooter, way more than not, is going to be the limiting factor. Place any bullet into the vitals of any animal and it will die very quickly.

The entire point of doing the original podcast with Form was to become better informed and discuss potential ways we can become even more efficient and ethical hunters. We are debating not between black and white facts but gray areas that take nuanced thinking to decipher what is best over a large sample size. Not just one off, cherry picked examples.

My general philosophy is the Hunter / the shooter is almost always the problem whether that’s archery, rifles etc. and if we can find ways to make more accurate shots, more animals will die quickly and cleanly. A big problem is getting someone to even admit that they don’t shoot heavy recoiling rifles as well as lighter recoiling ones. You have to step aside from pride / emotion and just look at facts.

After his last podcast, that did piss me off. The first 10 minutes where he talks about how the 6 Creed performance was for us this season, the shots we took and their accuracy is at best extreme exaggeration and worst him just outright lying and distorting the facts. We killed 2 giant bodied Caribou and a 66” and 68” Bull Moose with extreme effectiveness. He tried to walk it back a little saying something along the lines of “maybe I got it wrong” but to even make public statements about how something happened with very little knowledge is highly irresponsible. Not something I could ever imagine doing on a podcast that goes out to thousands of listeners. It was frankly disgusting. I will address that as the very first topic when we chat.

I am confident by the end of both discussions he will at the very least have to admit smaller calibers, in the hands of an ethical and smart hunter, can and are extremely effective at killing large game.

Steve

A little fuel for the fire. Photo attached of the 66” Bull Moose front shoulder Justin shot at 404 yards. The 108 “just barely” got through the bone . This is just one random, cherry picked sample based on a real experience and maybe would never happen again but it absolutely destroyed a 3/4 thick bone and shattered it into pieces. Damage beyond the bone was indecipherable. There was nothing but mush all the way into the heart and lungs. Once I deboned it I tried to get all the parts / fragments back together to take this photo.

 

[gabenzeke]

The thing about the podcast is, it is very clear he is arguing against something he hasn't listened to, and against threads on this forum he hasn't read. And perhaps worse, he is outright lying about some things. And much of his audience will believe what he says and assume he's right. That's frustrating. Has Form stated he was in the special forces? I don't recall reading or hearing that anywhere. But jvb said he doubts Form served in that capacity. It's real annoying to listen to this guy argue against something while misrepresenting the argument and the data the entire time. I heard a handful of times on these podcasts him or his listeners that wrote in suggest that the smaller calibers are unethical while at the same time saying that if you're offered only a bad shot angle that they can't imagine someone simply not taking the shot. I would argue it doesn't matter what caliber you're shooting or how much the hunt costs. If you can't turn down a poor opportunity, you're taking what could be considered an unethical shot. The obsession with penetration depth with these guys is hilarious though. The jokes write themselves.

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