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Aww Shrek....... I really wanted to help you out here but Im definitely not an expert on the subject but Ive watched enough studies and Animal planet enough to know that without the Bears, lions, wolves there is no way humans could keep up with the populations of prey out there in the world. I challenge you to go read up about the populations of wild pigs who are overrunning the south right now. This really would be as close as youll find to a scenario of you humans trying to manage a out of control population of prey and look how miserably we are failing at it. Many States including your own if Im not mistaken have a year round open season on them and in many state you can kill as many as you can take out. This still hasnt stopped the Pigs from breeding out of control. Heck even the elk populations where getting out of control before they introduced the Wolves back into the Lower 48s now the Wolves are keeping those populations in check or sometimes killing to many of the elk as they will take out the baby elk before going for the grown adults.
I wish I could agree with you on your theory of game management but unfortunately it wouldnt work. Much respect though man. Keep on keeping on =-)
I personally would rather see neither, if you've never hunted in the costal rainforest you don't understand it, it's a place where green grows everywhere, where the canopy blocks out the sun, fog lingers as thick as whip cream, and Roosevelt's glide through the underbrush like ghosts, it's a place where 20 yard shots are "long ones", jittery black tails dart through thickets and black bear meander looking for the next berry patch. You want to kill, you have no desire to enjoy the pursuit of game, your worried about optimizing harvest and you should enjoy what nature has to offer. Did you ever think the lions put your deer population back to natural levels?Sam , I'm all for opening up the logging again in the NW. I think you are right that the quiltwork of different forest maturity is a boon to the game. Without logging then the whole NW needs to burn on a regular basis. I personally would rather see it logged than burn.
You do understand that to large of herds can create famine in certain areas, and a massive increase in possible diseases, not sure if you've ever been to Texas but guess what... The hog problem is out of control and there is zero sign of it stopping, and in california it is not to far from happening. Snow geese is another example of humans futile attempts at controlling a population, people kill hundreds upon hundreds of geese a day and honestly it doesn't make a dent. This happened because we made the prarie pothole region to perfect, we were greedy and now the population is out of control. Can deer get like this? Probably, what if car accidents involving deer went up 70 percent in the country. Removing all predators and thinking that humans could take the place of what Mother Nature has built over time is one of the biggest thoughts of hubris I have ever heard. Nature needs balance.
I'm not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with any of you guys here, but those who are bringing up the "hog problem" or snow geese over population do you seriously not think that we as humans have the capability to not only control but wipe out these species if we so chose?
I'm not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with any of you guys here, but those who are bringing up the "hog problem" or snow geese over population do you seriously not think that we as humans have the capability to not only control but wipe out these species if we so chose?
We have actively chosen to try, we have failed, and we have failed to an extreme with snow geese. There is no limits. There is multiple seasons, I alone have killed over 500 snows each of the last 4 years. That's just me, not my buddies I take not the thousands of other hunters that do this as well.
Pig problem in Texas is managed. Those that do it well have very few to no problems. Those that dont manage and don't act on it have issues.
Elk and deer can be managed by tag numbers, it's pure and simple and it works. Texas is home to many aminal both native and not native. Heck in some case there are more of the non native species in Texas then there native lands. Management is simple if you do not have the carrying capacity then you must eliminate mouths. Longer seasons more tags.
Again, not saying that we should but to say that we have chosen to and failed is incorrect. We have merely opened a season on them. If we as humans simply wanted to get rid of them there would be no limits. Heck we could drop bombs on them, poison them, burn their breeding grounds, etc, etc.
Again, I'm not saying we should. Merely pointing out that saying we can't, because we haven't with the limits we have placed on ourselves, is short sighted at best.
I'm sorry I don't believe hogs are not a problem because they are every place I've been they cause damage, Oregon, california, Texas and Hawaii. Texas is also comprised of game preserves if I am not mistaken, especially exotics. It's a lot easier to manage game when you can drive to a blind, sit at a watering hole or feeder, shoot an animal and drive a qad to pick it up.
Hike 5-10 miles into the backcountry, spend 3-7 days hunting, kill a bull and now carry 400+ Pounds of meat back out. It's a lot different, more tags is not the awnser, it will just amount to more tags unpunched, now you get 5 tags a year, I don't have 5 weeks vacation to hunt 5 elk with. And not a lot of people have the resolve that it would take to Harvest 5 elk per year.
I'm sorry I don't believe hogs are not a problem because they are every place I've been they cause damage, Oregon, california, Texas and Hawaii. Texas is also comprised of game preserves if I am not mistaken, especially exotics. It's a lot easier to manage game when you can drive to a blind, sit at a watering hole or feeder, shoot an animal and drive a qad to pick it up.
Hike 5-10 miles into the backcountry, spend 3-7 days hunting, kill a bull and now carry 400+ Pounds of meat back out. It's a lot different, more tags is not the awnser, it will just amount to more tags unpunched, now you get 5 tags a year, I don't have 5 weeks vacation to hunt 5 elk with. And not a lot of people have the resolve that it would take to Harvest 5 elk per year.
The funniest line on here was the statement that burgeoning populations of game would lead to more access. I lived in Montana for 11 years. I saw elk numbers drastically climb in those years, and I can assure you that access did not increase. It did the exact opposite.
A key thing to remember is that the wildlife belongs to every citizen of the state. It does not solely belong to the folks that hunt and/or fish. I can respect Shrek's viewpoint (although I strongly disagree with it), but it is not and never will be a reality. For every person like Shrek, there is someone that would want no hunting and/or fishing. Then, there are lots of folks in the middle that want balance. For one to ask for complete predator elimination is as selfish as someone asking to end all hunting.
Was going to just walk away from Texan here as I wasnt to keen on his approach with his post above but Tips you nailed it. Tex You may have yourself a nice little plot of texas heaven there where you got things setup and managed well but that doesnt mean the rest of the country shares your same zealousness of having the breed under control. The point I made above to Shrek was examples of how things have gotten out of control. Weather they are exotics or not makes not a hell of beans. Point is The south is one area where there arnt a lot of predators and with the explosion of the feral Hog problem across the country down south and in Hawaii its become a very expensive problem. I will save you all the internet news links out there where Millions in agricultural damage has been done by them and how Wildlife managers across the country are trying get the problem under control because of the havoc they are causing.
Shrek wants to be the top predator thats his belief and how he feels about that and I respect that at the same time I think their are other folks out there that have a completely different approach and feeling about going out into the backwoods and being around the Bears, Wolves(Ohh wait you dont like them do you) or the mountain lions.
Nature is a circle of life each creature has its place including the wolves. I bet if we introduced Lions and tigers into the south the Hog problem would probably be much more manageable. These pigs have the litters they have because they are not pressured. Overtime if you put immense amounts of pressure to keep the population under control then youd see much less pig happiness in the areas over run by them.
by no means as I said earlier do I claim to be any sort of an expert on the subject but I think we all have a innate instinct about how the circle of life works. Some just have different views on how to handle it. =-)
Back to the topic of these douchbags I will be watching this one to see what if anything happens to them. You may get over on mother nature but eventually she will have her revenge.
It is just sick what some people will do for money. I hope these criminals get the punishment they deserve.
I am glad to see there are quite a few people on here that enjoy the wild and the predators that exist in wild places. If there were no predators in the wilderness it would take a huge part of the hunting experience away. I enjoy seeing bears and finding lion tracks over my own tracks from the night before. Shrek, you made me laugh with your 100% human centric comment and humans total control of their world. We humans are not as powerful as we think and mother nature reminds us of that frequently.
Here is a lion my brothers and I treed a few weeks ago. We let her go and last week I saw her tracks again. I could never imagine wanting to completely eliminate, or intentionally wound such an amazing creature.
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For every person like Shrek, there is someone that would want no hunting and/or fishing. Then, there are lots of folks in the middle that want balance. For one to ask for complete predator elimination is as selfish as someone asking to end all hunting.