Cutting Edge Lazer Kills?

[Lawnboi]

With the 125 lazer in 6.5 I used barnes lrx data to start with. The lazer could take more powder before pressuring out than the lrx.

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What did you end up trying for powder?

 

[iseebucks]

Please post up your successes or failures with this bullet?

Just curious, I thought you used Berger so are you thinking about switching to a monometal? Why not keep using Berger?

 

[amassi]

What did you end up trying for powder?

8133- 6.5-300
Retumbo -6.5 rpm.
H4350- 260 rem.

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[Ryan Avery]

Just curious, I thought you used Berger so are you thinking about switching to a monometal? Why not keep using Berger?

Going on a hunt next year that requires mono bullets.

 

[joelbiltz]

Only in Cali. Lol. Gotta love the condor lovers!

Going on a hunt next year that requires mono bullets.

 

[Ryan Avery]

Only in Cali. Lol. Gotta love the condor lovers!

No, it private property and the land owners wife is a leaf licker. Haha!

 

[Cowmanoneone]

Hi all, new user from Central California.

Following the non lead laws here, and dismal results from every monolithic bullet I tried, I found Cutting Edge. While we do not use the Lazer, all of the hunters on the ranch, and most of the hunters in the area who reload are now shooting one of three Cutting edge bullets (Raptor, Maximus, MTH). Performance has been remarkable, and as of this year somewhere around 30 to 50 deer, two elk, and three bears (D Zone) taken; with no failures. We all hunt the A Zone and then scatter to the B, D5, D7, zones or head out of state.

The bullets love velocity, and may require a higher twist as you move up in bullet weight. No issues in accuracy and my latest 3 shot group with a 152 grain Maximus is under 1/2 inch - sitting over a rest. (7 Rem Mag loaded to 3,200 fps per the Nosler Reloading Manual).

Reloading longer bullets takes some thought, but powder selections today makes finding safe loads that develop velocity with "shake" in the cartirdge fairly easy.

I was talking with another of the hunters last week, and we agreed that we would not go back to lead. And that says a lot.

 

[ljalberta]

Wanted to bump this thread. Thinking about trying Lazers and/or Maximus bullets in a 6.5CM and .308 and hoping someone has more results to share.

If anyone has results closer to the minimum required velocity it would be very interesting to see as well. I reviewed the Hammer results thread, and it seems there are tons of kills in the sub 300 yard range, which of course should be expected. I always wonder about mono performance when the impact velocity is closer to that listed minimum required amount.

 

[Banded_spooney]

I’d like to revive this thread. Any new experience with the lasers or the raptors?

 

[Banded_spooney]

I’ll be more specific, I’m actually looking at 125 Maximus for my 6.5 creed and 135 ER raptors or the 132 Maximus for my 7mm-08

 

[Dunky]

I killed a bull last year with a 7 mm lazer shot in the neck at about 80 yds. any bullet would have killed in that setting but the lazer went through the neck and broke the off side shoulder blade and exited.
whitetail buck about 200 up a very steep hill. Hit high. Broke the spine and looked like a grenade went off. 3180 mv

 

[Iman]

.308 165 gr Lazer out of a 308 win. Estimated impact velocity 1970 fps. Moose at 506 m. Higher double lung shot. Lodged under skin on opposite side. Two separated pieces were later found while processing meat.

 

[ljalberta]

.308 165 gr Lazer out of a 308 win. Estimated impact velocity 1970 fps. Moose at 506 m. Higher double lung shot. Lodged under skin on opposite side. Two separated pieces were later found while processing meat.

Appreciate you sharing this.

I ordered some recently to try loading for the .308, but couldn’t find much on their performance at velocities sub 2000 fps.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

Would like to hear the details of hammer failures if you don’t mind. They would be the first I’ve heard of...probably because they’re relatively new and less used than others that we hear about failure on. Thanks

I realize I'm replying to an old question here but I ran across it while reading old threads. I had a problem with hammers expanding minimally in the 2019/2020 timeframe (bullets purchased early 2019) and not cleanly peeling the petals as was the intent (recovered a couple bullets). In discussing it with Hammer it was determined I had bullets from when they had an overly hard alloy batch come in and some number of bullets from that material went out the door before they realized the supplier deviated from their specifications (a mistake I highly doubt they would ever make again). So @Ryan Avery hearing some penciling results from that same timeframe (and if I read correctly one of those folks later had good results?) I wouldn't be surprised if they had the same issue.

 

[willfrye027]

I realize I'm replying to an old question here but I ran across it while reading old threads. I had a problem with hammers expanding minimally in the 2019/2020 timeframe (bullets purchased early 2019) and not cleanly peeling the petals as was the intent (recovered a couple bullets). In discussing it with Hammer it was determined I had bullets from when they had an overly hard alloy batch come in and some number of bullets from that material went out the door before they realized the supplier deviated from their specifications (a mistake I highly doubt they would ever make again). So @Ryan Avery hearing some penciling results from that same timeframe (and if I read correctly one of those folks later had good results?) I wouldn't be surprised if they had the same issue.

Very interesting. I believe it. In my group we’ve had a bad batch of GMX. Couple of odd results on game and then finally we caught one in an animal that had not expanded at point blank range from a 7mm mag. Maybe it was a bad batch of copper there too. I think with copper the chance of a “bullet failure” is higher. Personally have not had an issue with hammers (yet) and continue to use them hunting in CA, reluctantly

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

Very interesting. I believe it. In my group we’ve had a bad batch of GMX. Couple of odd results on game and then finally we caught one in an animal that had not expanded at point blank range from a 7mm mag. Maybe it was a bad batch of copper there too. I think with copper the chance of a “bullet failure” is higher. Personally have not had an issue with hammers (yet) and continue to use them hunting in CA, reluctantly

"A couple of odd results" is exactly what I was dealing with (more like 4-5). With the replacement bullets a deer was shot with that gun which great expansion so I'm not too worried about things going foward with it. I've been grabbing other guns more lately which I'm running TTSX/LRX when I worked up the loads, mainly a cost thing and having good experience with barnes. I don't really have concerns about hammers in general but that goof did happen and lines up in the same timeline which likely explains some of the failure stories floating around. If anyone had issues with bullets from 2021 and newer I'd be very interested to know those details.

 

[Cameron.25]

I had a couple kills with the 200gr lazer this year. Both shots were under 300 so no surprise that they did a good amount of damage. Went through a shoulder on both the deer and elk, destroyed each shoulder and recovered the shank from both in the offside hide

 

[Pronghunter]

I posted on another forum but wanted to get more opinions or thoughts here as well so bumping this older thread.

300 PRC
Built rifle
1:8 Bartlein.

Been shooting the 230 Bergers for a few years. Mostly on elk. They've done fine from 50 yards to 800 on elk.
Killed a Shirus moose 2 years ago at 86 yards. All elk and the moose behind shoulder shots. No real bone. Nothing went more than say 50 yards.
2890 fps with the 230 Bergers.


With my 300 RUM.
Have killed 14 Yukon moose over the last 8-10 years with family. All with 200g ELDX. 80 yards to 700 yards. All have died on the spot. Behind shoulder and in shoulders. Never an issue. Worked great.

BUT, now that I am taking the 300 PRC moose hunting and currently have the 230 Bergers loaded, it's always in the back of my mind of running into a big Grizz UP CLOSE and the 230 not doing well up close as in blowing up. I've had a lot of issues with the 215 Bergers in years past essentially blowing up from the 300 PRC and 300 RUM when under say 150 yards on game. So now it's in the back of my mind with the 230 in the willows on a grizz.

Ive spoken with Cutting Edge bullets at least 4 times in the last year. With my set up, they've always recommended the 200 or 220 Lazer.
I have always had good luck with accuracy shooting the Cutting Edge, just never killed any game animals.

So essentially my question would be, And I may honestly have more experience than most with MOOSE, but would a guy be just fine using the 230 Berger in a bad up close bear situation or go with the 220 Cutting Edge from those who proven or tried on closer large animals? Good /bad?

 

[elkguide]

Only taken 1 elk and 6 whitetails with cutting edge 180 maximus @ 2980 from a .300 Win Mag. None of them took more than 2 steps. Would recommend them.

 

[Quandary]

Grizz (squared just under 8', skull 24") at 209 yards 300PRC, 22" barrel, TBAC Ultra 7, 200 gr Lazer running 2875 fps at barrel;