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Typical definition as defined in the dictionary...Depends on how you define "forced".
Typical definition as defined in the dictionary...Depends on how you define "forced".
Elk did decrease. Dramatically. As did moose and bighorn sheep. They are learning and adapting. Look up what happened to the Northern Yellowstone herd if it hasn't been scrubbed from the internet.
That is what I thought.It was. It passed by less than one percentage point. Got put on the ballot by having enough signatures on a petition. Gotta love democracy.
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Yes. Ageed ( for some of them possibly) Forced as in pressured. Not forced as physically forced or required.Typical definition as defined in the dictionary...
Forced as in they had one of two choices. Quit or do what they were told to do. Not saying someone put a gun to their head. I know this is an emotionally charged time but lets use some common sense.Yes. Ageed ( for some of them possibly) Forced as in pressured. Not forced as physically forced or required.
I am going to point out to the people of Colorado. How dangerous it will be if a dog that had distemper got around those wolves. Wolves are not immune to distemper and it lives in the soil for a long time. It woud be terrible if an animal that had distemper or the soil from its kennel was to make it up near an wolf kill. It could wipe out the whole pack. So be careful.
They decreased. Fact. As I said, look up what happened to the Northern Yellowstone herd. NOW they are coming back, adapting, changing behaviors and locations. Expect the elk hunting as you currently know it ( in areas the wolves establish as their territories) to be crap for a good 20-25 years at least.Where are you seeing that elk decreased? I'm looking at fish and game numbers and overall populations have grown, and Wyoming is even saying some herds are overpopulated. I did see the Yellowstone herd was reduced by about 50%. I have no clue what the carrying capacity of that environment is, I'll leave that to the wildlife biologists.
The argument from the pro-wolf crowd is that local herds will be impacted (i.e. Yellowstone), but overall elk numbers and harvests will not be (i.e. Fish and Game numbers seem to support this). That's what I'm trying to reconcile, because it makes no sense to me why they would increase or even remain stable with wolves introduced.
The biggest issue I have personally is leaving this decision up to the voting public who have no clue about the potential impacts.
Agreed.Forced as in they had one of two choices. Quit or do what they were told to do. Not saying someone put a gun to their head. I know this is an emotionally charged time but lets use some common sense.
@Hnthrdr gets it. It took Idaho 11 years AFTER the agreed population was achieved to get a hunt established. The damage was done 5 years after reintroduction.
There is someone watching those GPS trackers night and day right now and foreseeably for the next few years. Some little geek in a back room of a govt building somewhere whose sole job is to stare at a screen and collect a paycheck. Know that.
If those trackers stop moving or transmit a terminal signal, there will likely be a chopper in the air if there is enough daylight left to fly....be a shame one of those woofs died at night or in the late evening. They probably wouldn't be able to get out there to see what happened until the morning.
They really want these wolves to succeed. It's all part of the liberal plan to replace hunters from the equation.
I would agree with this. Minnesota is way beyond its goal, I believe the current estimate is around 2700-3000.I believe Michigan hit its stated goal in 1999 (200). We still do not have a hunt and “science” tells us the population is approaching 700. Most will tell you it’s probably double that.
You’ll never see a hunt.
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I saw a guy on twitter claiming they were tracking them with collars and sattelites. Like they can see every move they make constantly. Cpw even says the wolves are rough on their collars, meaning they could tear them off and ditch them.They can’t monitor them 24/7. It’s just like your phone and inreach . The more you use it to track the faster the battery dies. They usually send location data once a day.
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I saw a guy on twitter claiming they were tracking them with collars and sattelites. Like they can see every move they make constantly. Cpw even says the wolves are rough on their collars, meaning they could tear them off and ditch them.
Isn’t the OR wolf population still listed as endangered through the ESA? How do you have enough wolves to give them away from an endangered population? USFW cleared that?
I've been asking this very question regarding California for years. Unfortunately, California is the template for all of this. I have personally asked wildlife biologists how and why they have a job when their work for months or years is merely cast aside when the popular vote is final say anyway? Surprise, I have never gotten a straight answer.If wildlife management policy is going to be directed by public opinion, why is our $$$ used to fund research(ers), game biologists, game management personnel, etc?