CO Wolf Introduction Public Comment

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we will with 200 elk ag depredation permits in July. You will be the first whining about.
I'll be the last so whine about them.

I must have missed all the threads full of people complaining about depredation permits in Montana/Idaho/Wyoming. Maybe because no one hunts elk in them...
 

COelk89

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Unfortunately it looks to late as the commission has bowed to political pressure from the governors office to remove hunting once there is a sustainable population from the plan all together. They will now be shielded by the ESA indefinitely. Ranchers will now be paid up to 15k for losses, per animal or annual I am not sure. Hunters and habitat conservation will not get shit. I hope the Gunnison Stockgrowers Association gets the Nepa analysis approved that will take years
 

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Unfortunately it looks to late as the commission has bowed to political pressure from the governors office to remove hunting once there is a sustainable population from the plan all together. They will now be shielded by the ESA indefinitely. Ranchers will now be paid up to 15k for losses, per animal or annual I am not sure. Hunters and habitat conservation will not get shit. I hope the Gunnison Stockgrowers Association gets the Nepa analysis approved that will take years
No real surprise there, the wolf advocate groups are well funded. And Polis' husband is in with all of them. I laughed about them talking about Wyoming in the article, like Colorado can change or influence Wyoming policy on wolf hunting.
 
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Unfortunately it looks to late as the commission has bowed to political pressure from the governors office to remove hunting once there is a sustainable population from the plan all together. They will now be shielded by the ESA indefinitely. Ranchers will now be paid up to 15k for losses, per animal or annual I am not sure. Hunters and habitat conservation will not get shit. I hope the Gunnison Stockgrowers Association gets the Nepa analysis approved that will take years
Yep. I think we all saw this coming. Polis and ProgressNow packed the CPW commission. All lethal means will be off the table, both hunting and for livestock growers, for the foreseeable future. Next stop on this blue train, remove lethal take of all ungulates!
 

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Done. Thanks, why do they want your race and gender on the feedback?
Race and gender are always part of surveys. The organization is interested in identifying who specifically is providing feedback, I.e. is Colorado hearing a proportionate amount of feedback from their Indigenous population, Latino population, male / female, etc.
 

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I think it sucks that people in one part of Colorado can vote and dictate what other people in another part of Colorado have to live with. Wolves....
That's how wolves were reintroduced in Yellowstone....pushed through by public pressure from large metropolitan areas in the mid - late 90's.
 

Chrisamx

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From earth.org,a rewilding organization:

The presence of top carnivores in an ecosystem not only holds ecological value but serves an economic and social purpose to humans. Rewilding, or more specifically trophic rewilding, is shedding light on the importance of predators and providing evidence of their benefits. The results will also help to advocate for the protection of existing trophic chains that are regulated by their top predator."

"...advocate for the protection of existing trophic chains that are regulated by their top predator." Means they will be trying to protect elk and deer from hunters in order for wolves, cougars and bears have enough to eat.
 
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From earth.org,a rewilding organization:

The presence of top carnivores in an ecosystem not only holds ecological value but serves an economic and social purpose to humans. Rewilding, or more specifically trophic rewilding, is shedding light on the importance of predators and providing evidence of their benefits. The results will also help to advocate for the protection of existing trophic chains that are regulated by their top predator."

"...advocate for the protection of existing trophic chains that are regulated by their top predator." Means they will be trying to protect elk and deer from hunters in order for wolves, cougars and bears have enough to eat.
They've been saying the quiet part out loud all along . A lot of hunters dismissed that as a wild conspiracy.
 

Chrisamx

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They've been saying the quiet part out loud all along . A lot of hunters dismissed that as a wild conspiracy.
It is easier not to believe and these groups have capitalized on this. But all one has to do is go to their web pages and see. Ultimately, rewilders want a West that resembles pre-colonial times, which means people moved off the land and into cities, agriculture removed as well. Dams removed. Even the USGS is in on dam removals https://www.usgs.gov/centers/john-w...ynthesis?qt-science_center_objects=0#overview along with other Green Leftist groups like American Rivers https://www.americanrivers.org/ . Without dams and irrigation agriculture is doomed in CA and much of the West.

Anyway, I went a little off subject, however, the goals of rewilding groups are many and dovetail into many of the freedoms we take for granted.
 

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well im all in favour is the planning wolves are coming from canada and im more than willing to give the extras we have here in the yukon ... more seriously no one in his/right mind should ever think about bringing back a animal that was removed for a reason and not only because of cattles ...

look up the return of wolves all across europe and the predation they re doing on hunting population as farmers are reacting to protect their animals ... once you will live with guard dogs, some users will complain going to the mountains is too dangerous and those dogs are too agressive ...

and for the naysayers about wolf not attacking humane look up on the net it will be an eye opener ....
 
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