CO Proposed Changes for 2020

[BigAntlerGetter]

If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle too. Lots of "ifs" in that. Proof you can twist numbers to fit your agenda. If you multiplied archery hunters by 2.62 to get 132,965 hunters at 11% success rate you get 14,626 elk killed. Same number of rifle hunters kill 37,562 elk.

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Sorry edited it to be correct, I had to many numbers going on in my scrap book and should have proof read it before posting.


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[tdhanses]

You thinking they may adopt Utah's model? We've seen how successful that is in hunter opportunity (sarcasm for those who aren't tracking)

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Oh no not to that extent, but I could see offering 3 or 4 early rifle tags in each unit.

No one wants to see another UT model.

 

[tdhanses]

Something I did notice, in the unit I hunt muzzleloader tags went up 38% this year. This is in an area where I’ve seen elk numbers decrease over the last 8 years.

 

[sneaky]

Something I did notice, in the unit I hunt muzzleloader tags went up 38% this year. This is in an area where I’ve seen elk numbers decrease over the last 8 years.

Makes perfect sense lol

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[sneaky]

Those famous words that mean so much "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help"

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[Okhotnik]

Looks like Colorado is going the way of Washington state. Less tags and opportunities for archery hunters and more rifle tags. Rifle hunters bitch and have more political clout. They issue 100’s of extra rifle doe tags in areas with struggling mule deer populations. Plus an expanding wolf population and no management . Mountain lion seasons cut back despite population increases.

Embrace the suck and enjoy your wolf introductions

 

[BigAntlerGetter]

Looks like Colorado is going the way of Washington state. Less tags and opportunities for archery hunters and more rifle tags. Rifle hunters bitch and have more political clout. They issue 100’s of extra rifle doe tags in areas with struggling mule deer populations. Plus an expanding wolf population and no management . Mountain lion seasons cut back despite population increases.

Embrace the suck and enjoy your wolf introductions

We have been taking lion cuts as well, last year my unit went from 7 to 5, we’re having problems with lions in town now. Spoke with CPW today about our bear and lion issue m, said he couldn’t comment on the lion issues they have been trying for years to let the wardens in the area work with outfitters and houndsman for more accurate data about lion pops. But we don’t know much about populations.
He did make a comment about getting spring bear back said we should try and find someone to put it on the ballot and see if we couldn’t get it passed through somehow.... we both agreed it was a long shot but who knows it might work if someone could get in on the ballot, especially with all the bear issues in mountain towns.


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[Empty Quiver]

I'm pretty sure that whatever they decide on the 2020 season structure most of us aren't going to like it. I would hate to see archery go to a draw. I've said this before I would like to see muzzy season more like the early rifle season and get it out of archery season all together. I have nothing against muzzy hunters. Just my .02

 

[BigAntlerGetter]

However it becomes we all have 2 options
1) deal with it and make the best of it for 5 years or
2) don’t hunt for 5 years and sit in silence
It’s your choice at least they are giving us the option to give our opinion, not many people have the qualifications to choose what’s best for CPW, or the wildlife. So they are giving us a great thing by allowing us to give our input. Only problem it’s hard enough for people to understand the regs now what are they gonna do when it changes again que the sad violins


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[Empty Quiver]

I don't believe for one second CPW gives a hoot about our opinions. Its is just a formality.

 

[Marble]

Im an out of state hunter. Been going to the same general area in CO since 2002. Its OTC, I draw a buck tag most years. 2 years I haven't killed my bull.

I do not like having a muzzle loader hunt while archery season is open. Even though I hunt archery elk elsewhere, seems counter productive to have gun shots going off during archery.

I like the structure for the elk seasons. I would not mind if there were a couple more days gap between first and second, even if I lost one day and 1st ruffle was opened one day earlier. It doesn't have to open on a Saturday.

I normally have never competed with other hunters where I hunt. But the last couple years I have seen more hunters while in the field then several years combined. Twice last year I was going after Elk only to have another hunter shoot at them.

I do not like the early bull season. I would like there to be some time between the rut and rifle season as previously mentioned.

I do not like the short 5 day seasons suggested. It would not be worth me driving all the way there for only 5 days.

Seems like I would prefer alt 1 and alt 3 for Elk. I also would not mind having all OTC go to a draw system. There is a way to not burn points to draw for non premium tags and get a point each year for when you get enough to draw a better unit.

As long as I get to hunt each year, with opportunity being what I make of it and I don't run into hunters each day. Pretty easy right...

 

[tdhanses]

Im an out of state hunter. Been going to the same general area in CO since 2002. Its OTC, I draw a buck tag most years. 2 years I haven't killed my bull.

I do not like having a muzzle loader hunt while archery season is open. Even though I hunt archery elk elsewhere, seems counter productive to have gun shots going off during archery.

I like the structure for the elk seasons. I would not mind if there were a couple more days gap between first and second, even if I lost one day and 1st ruffle was opened one day earlier. It doesn't have to open on a Saturday.

I normally have never competed with other hunters where I hunt. But the last couple years I have seen more hunters while in the field then several years combined. Twice last year I was going after Elk only to have another hunter shoot at them.

I do not like the early bull season. I would like there to be some time between the rut and rifle season as previously mentioned.

I do not like the short 5 day seasons suggested. It would not be worth me driving all the way there for only 5 days.

Seems like I would prefer alt 1 and alt 3 for Elk. I also would not mind having all OTC go to a draw system. There is a way to not burn points to draw for non premium tags and get a point each year for when you get enough to draw a better unit.

As long as I get to hunt each year, with opportunity being what I make of it and I don't run into hunters each day. Pretty easy right...

What about the special bear rifle? It’s Sep 2-30. I hunt archery, ML and the special bear rifle. Personally none of it bothers me all being in Sep. How would you feel if the middle two weeks were for ML? Or even the last 2 weeks, as others have said archery isn’t the best management tool available.

Just things to think about when asking to breakup everything from archery, in the end it’ll be archery that gets the shaft which would suck.

 

[Marble]

What about the special bear rifle? It’s Sep 2-30. I hunt archery, ML and the special bear rifle. Personally none of it bothers me all being in Sep. How would you feel if the middle two weeks were for ML? Or even the last 2 weeks, as others have said archery isn’t the best management tool available.

Just things to think about when asking to breakup everything from archery, in the end it’ll be archery that gets the shaft which would suck.

I would still like to see that period be a no rifle season, where guys are hunting deer and elk with bows.

As for the bears. I think there should be a target number fish and wildlife wants to see for harvest and when its reached, season over. CA has been doing this for years. I think there should be a spring hunt and let guys go after bears all fall. Not sure what the rules for hounds are there, but encourage the use of them.

I live in CA. The laws here are just insane when it comes to some hunting. Its not science based, it's all political. No going hunting. Copper only... no mountain lion hunting, there is a proposition trying to get on the ballot that may ban bobcat hunting. People freak out over coyote hunts. And its all being ruled by people who don't have a clue about hunting, the outdoors or have had boots on the ground to see what is actually going on in the woods. Ok im of topic...

I have my own personal reasons for how I want the seasons structured. But in the end I want a healthy herd/ecosystem and opportunities to hunt with enough predictability to plan stuff out.

 

[Newtosavage]

I sometimes wonder how much the overcrowding during archery season has to do with the advances in archery technology. It seems guys and gals today are comfortable taking shots with their modern compounds that are several times further than I recall from the 80's and 90's. In some cases - as far as a lot of folks were comfortable shooting their muzzleloaders in those days.

Do you suppose that has anything to do with it?

I suppose one way to answer that would be to see how much the % harvest success has changed in the past 20-30 years during archery season, or perhaps the success hasn't changed that much but the "barrier to entry" (meaning how difficult it is to be proficient with archery tackle capable of taking an elk) has been lowered due to technology, putting many more hunters into the woods than in the past?

 

[Kerrbow]

CBA submitted an alternative option to the Commission last we for consideration, called Alternative 5. It was a better option than the other 4. Someone with better computer skills should transpose it over here for perusal and comment.

 

[cnelk]

Alternate 5 wasnt considered by the Commish when it was presented by the CBA last week.

If you read the Alternatives, ALT 1 or ALT 2 are probably at the top.
If I were to guess, ALT 1 will be one that moves forward

 

[cnelk]

My buddy and I were discussing this over the weekend and this is our thoughts...

The CPW isn't concerned about "crowding" in early season. Rather, they are responding to the bowhunters who are complaining about it.

They believe we already have such a long season compared to rifle hunters that we should shut up and be real happy with 29 days, which gives us what elk hunters want - September.

I'm thrilled with option 1, as primarily a September elk hunter.

 

[vanish]

The CPW isn't concerned about "crowding" in early season. Rather, they are responding to the bowhunters who are complaining about it.

They believe we already have such a long season compared to rifle hunters that we should shut up and be real happy with 29 days, which gives us what elk hunters want - September.

Yes - the crowding issue is hunter driven. We are our own worst enemy.

Yes - that was blatantly obvious by their comments.

Several of the commission members have no understanding of the difference between archery deer and elk hunting, and why having archery deer start earlier is desirable for both deer hunting and addressing crowding. They seemed annoyed that archers were asking for a longer season, as if all archers would have both tags anyway.

 

[njdoxie]

The CPW isn't concerned about "crowding" in early season. Rather, they are responding to the bowhunters who are complaining about it

Well bowhunter complaints is the common sense way to gauge crowding. How else would you gauge it?


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[MOSO 300]

Can I ask a rut question in relation to changes? I spoke to a warden two years ago up close to the divide in an OTC unit next to a great draw unit. Through small talk while he checked us over the topic of the rut moving later and later came up. He was of the opinion that over the past 10-15 years it has progressively moved later and all most into 1st rifle.
If this is true, would it make a great deal of since to slide 1st rifle back and all of the corresponding seasons with it. Have a longer break between seasons. Even with more archers in the field today success is much lower than 1st season. If it’s really about the elk then that seems blatantly obvious. I read a great comment about the modernization of archery equipment, which is valid, but think of the difference in muzzleloader these days, companies boasting about 500 yard muzzleloader seems to defeat the entire ideology for the season.

Does Colorado have a sales tax designed for CPW? The 1/8 of 1% in Missouri funds MDC.


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