i'm just trying to understand the context of 60 degree threads and barrels not staying locked up with magnums. Is there a more appropriate angle to keep them locked up? Is 60 degree standard and gw uses something different? Or are we saying they just dont stay locked up at all?
And this is more of a magnum-specific thing or just for all cartridges?
This is my problem with GW. They make excellent products, no doubt, but their entire marketing pitch removes hunting from hunting.
No. Threads already center. Might cause conflict in which feature drives....
Why would a business owner even say that? How off putting!! I’m far more impressed by the hunter who drives his beat up 20 yr old truck to a public land trailhead, straps on a backpack and goes and kills big stuff with his bow or his uncle’s hand me down Model 70!
I was just funnin ya a little bit
It has mostly to do with hoop strength with a cartridge that large in diameter. The smaller tenon/breech diameters do not leave much leeway safety wise during a pressure excursion. That said I don’t doubt that it may aid in joint stabilization.
Man I dont know if Aaron owes your wife child support or whats going on but he is living rent free in your head. If he did not wrong you in some way you may want to talk to somebody. Its weird to feel that strong about someone you dont know.
I listened to both. I liked both as well as others he’s on. I actually try to listen to all of Aaron’s podcasts because no matter what he’s clearly intelligent. I would way rather listen to someone who has made a living selling $20k packages or whatever they are then random people online. And people fail to see to be successful in business you have to know your market and how to sell to that market. Literally dot.com secrets. Aaron picked his niche and markets to that. Exactly what a business man should do to be successful. Never going to make everyone happy and his customers seem to be happy who actually buy so that’s a plus.Finished the rokslide podcast w @Aaron Davidson . Dont fear, there were fewer “panty-wad bombs” in there to trigger folks.
I thought it was pretty good, and there was a little more detail on the scope evals and scope testing in general. As I understood it gunwerks does not test for impacts at all, only for recoil-induced stress of various sorts, although their scope fared very well in the eval here recently. Aaron‘s feeling was that much of the problem is recoil induced, and talked about the OEM‘s standard test being 1000 foot pounds, while some of the bigger cartridges in a lighter rifle produced half again or double as much. They discussed bonding some of the parts into the scope, and how that can both help and hurt performance, depending on some variables. One thing I found interesting was that in the Cliff Gray podcast he talked about “identical” scopes from the same OEM testing differently as a reason to suspect a problem with the evaluation itself, while in this case he talked about changing specifications with the OEM, which resulted in a different eval result. I’ve worked with OEM manufacturers before and in my experience you can absolutely specify different tolerances or procedures even for an off the shelf option, so well I haven’t worked with this particular manufacturer I think in general having scopes made to the same general pattern by the same factory that test differently is actually very realistic. Aaron also acknowledged that impacts can be really rough on a scope in the cliff gray podcast. I know that, Aaron knows that, so maybe theres some sort of collab potential here to develop something that can evaluate various scopes ability to handle impacts as well, the only trick being funding the equipment and figuring out who does something like that… I really hope Ryan takes him up on the offer to go thru the scope testing, and it would be really interesting to hear the micro-specifics from an engineer in this field on what could be done to the rokslide eval to “tighten up” the eval or perhaps to provide some calibration to it, while keeping it approachable to an independent or to crowdsourcing it, which is critical to its usefulness. Ultimately, Aaron‘s motivation for testing, or any scope companies motivation for testing, is not to produce a standardized evaluation across the industry so much as it is to test or develop their own product. Obviously many companies do testing on competitor products, but I’m not aware of anyone that publishes this or makes it available in a format for consumers.So this consumer testing is really focused on a totally different goal than a scope manufacturer’s testing is. That’s the source of the friction I think, is that everybody talks about testing, but various entities within the industry have very different goals from it. As a consumer, I want standardized published results across the entire industry from all of the models that I’m considering. That would be a ton of wasted time and energy for gun works, which product assortment doesn’t include many of the scope footprints that I find critical in my own hunting, and publishing results from competitors could easily result in either animosity, or maybe even legal friction that simply isn’t helpful for them. But with a transparent, “open source” test that any engineer could reproduce with simple equipment…????
Probably wishful thinking, and certainly rambling.
Yes, but you need to look at this in a couple ways:
I recently read Walter Isaacson's bio of Steve Jobs, and one of the takeaways for me was that great innovation and a certain level of abrasiveness often go hand in hand. I think maybe some folks should think about this and manage their expectations a bit. I don't know Aaron Davidson at all, and he may be the nicest guy you'll ever meet, but I think the principle often holds true to some extent.
In short yes there are methods to improve the joint stability and ways other than just more preload. Read the chapter shown by Wind Gypsy in the book I mentioned. He explains the issue in detail and goes into some fixes for the issue. Many people including myself tried different thread forms and tapered threads. This was heavily discussed years ago on a website I mentioned. Stiller Firearms even started making his actions with tapered threads to address the issue. Jerry eventually quit that because too many people were not able understand the concept and couldn’t seem to be able to figure out how to fit the threads (wasn’t hard so who knows what their issues were) so he eventually went back to standard threading. I’ll add that Jerry Stiller is a licensed PE and was a wealth of knowledge when he dove into a problem and chose to share his thoughts and findings.
