Certainly worth a gander.....but don't delete it just because you don't believe it.

[thinhorn_AK]

Hmmmm.

It’s not a threat. It’s a choice for the individual to make. Hell was not made for man. It was made for the devil and his angels the 1/3 that fell with Lucifer. By free will. Salvation was made necessary by the fall of man in the garden. So we have a way out of the a place not made for us. The cross of salvation was needed

And in Islam there is an option for keeping your head attached to your body…..it’s not a threat, it’s a choice right?

 

[Lowg08]

So, you get to use infinity as in “god always was and always will be”? Apply your made up rules to your whimsical notions.


I’ll apply my rules to mine.
The Big Bang is not the one theoretical beginning and the theory of our current evolutionary state is only one beginning amongst an infinite number.

My dog can beat up your god.

But you made your own rules so you could turn that into a religion or a theory. Doesn’t mean it’s correct.

Jesus wept. I can’t read fast enough to keep up with this goddamn thread. I guess I’ll just wait for it to get shut down and catch up then

I’m out anyway we have hit a wall. Or fell off the tracks. Or heck at this point it’s just on repeat.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Believe you have to blow someone up to get 72 virgins is a belief. Knowing you belong to God is much different. Facts will always be demanded.

I’m sure the guy blowing himself up for a bunch of virgins “knows” he’s going to get his virgins too. Neither of these religions is any better than the other. They are both insane. Just change Christianity to Islam with these arguments and you end up in the same place.

 

[Lowg08]

And in Islam there is an option for keeping your head attached to your body…..it’s not a threat, it’s a choice right?

No. Salvation is a free gift not a threat. It must be accepted of your own free will once the heart is pricked by the Holy Spirit not radicalized planted in your head.

 

[Texasbuckeye]

So, you get to use infinity as in “god always was and always will be”? Apply your made up rules to your whimsical notions.


I’ll apply my rules to mine.
The Big Bang is not the one theoretical beginning and the theory of our current evolutionary state is only one beginning amongst an infinite number.

My dog can beat up your god.

Whether your dog could beat up my God is disputable, but I will counter that with this:

Your big bang, what caused the bang part? A bang implies something was there before or that something caused the bang. In your theory, you have all the energy in the universe wrapped up into one small ball and then it suddenly erupts and everything is let out. So why was all the energy there to begin with? What caused all that energy to be together with enough explosive force to be traveling light years away still as we speak? Surely, there had to be a cause for these actions (the wrapping up and the cause for the eruption). How was all that energy kept in one place for even a split millisecond enough to allow it to "bang" ?

 

[Billinsd]

Believe you have to blow someone up to get 72 virgins is a belief. Knowing you belong to God is much different. Facts will always be demanded.

Have you EVER READ THE OLD TESTAMENT? It's pretty scary, in fact the Bible is full of sinners and all kinds of treachery. Have you ever heard of the Christian reformation and the wars between the Catholics and the protestants. My Pastors have read the Koran, they even have talked about it to try and correct all the misconceptions about it. Islam is a religion in desperate need of a reformation!!!!

 

[Tmac]

Faith = Belief Absent Evidence.

Either one believes or one does not. No one position is any better or stronger than the other imo. All should be respected.

Can we go back to hunting, shooting and bashing scopes that don’t work? And BOAL’s…always BOAL’s.

 

[robtattoo]

I can not fully get on board. Belief in Jesus is not a religion.

Weeeellll....... it is though, isn't it.

Belief itself is not a religion, belief in one specific tenet & adhering to its principles & teachings is a religion. Like, Christianity?

"Once you understand why you don't believe in anyone else's God, you'll understand why I don't believe in yours"

"We're both atheists. I just believe in one less god than you"

 

[robtattoo]

Faith = Belief Absent Evidence.

Either one believes or one does not. No one position is any better or stronger than the other imo. All should be respected.

Can we go back to hunting, shooting and bashing scopes that don’t work? And BOAL’s…always BOAL’s.

Between you & Bill, I'm seriously considering starting a second account so I can Like y'all's posts twice.

EDIT to add: Vortex sucks donkey balls.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Christianity does not threaten anyone with anything. The offer for eternal life is given, but there is no threat. Without Jesus, we are all subject to God's judgement. We all sin, we all fall short. The judgement for our sin is death. nothing more nothing less. But to be alive in eternity with God, we have to repudiate our sin and allow Jesus blood to act as our sacrifice to cleanse our selves from God's judgement, with that, God says we are clean and can spend an eternity with Him. It is a gift, freely given, but it is not a threat.

Worst case if you don't accept Jesus' sacrificial blood: death. But guess what? we are all gonna die anyway. So there is no threat.

Right!!! We’re all going to die anyways so what does it really matter in the grand scheme of things if you go about your life praying to a hateful diety or if you get your head cut off now.

We’re all going to die anyways so what does it matter if a loving and compassionate god let’s you go about your life for a few years only to separate you from your family and cast you into hell for all eternity.

What does it matter right?

 

[Billinsd]

Islam threatens you with your neck, Christianity threatens us with eternal damnation.

Christians have no business trying to take the moral high ground in any discussion.

Christianity has been through a lot of reformation. Too much in the last 25 years, lol. Islam hasn't had any reformation that I know of. That's the big problem with Islam and it's been hijacked by extremists.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

No. Salvation is a free gift not a threat. It must be accepted of your own free will once the heart is pricked by the Holy Spirit not radicalized planted in your head.

You must see the irony here….after everything you have written here, claim others are being “radicalized”???

I don’t mean that as an insult but it’s typical with Christian’s. A fanatical Christian is a person of faith while somebody just as hyped up but over a different ideology has been radicalized or something.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Christianity has been through a lot of reformation. Too much in the last 25 years, lol. Islam hasn't had any reformation that I know of. That's the big problem with Islam and it's been hijacked by extremists.

I don’t think it’s being hijacked by extremists, the isis types are simply following Islam the way it was written.

You are right that Christianity has changed but make no mistake, if it was being practiced the way it was originally written Christian’s would be just as evil and violent as isis. Heck they were for quite awhile.

 

[Lowg08]

You have to perform task to stay within the “ISM”

Have you EVER READ THE OLD TESTAMENT? It's pretty scary, in fact the Bible is full of sinners and all kinds of treachery. Have you ever heard of the Christian reformation and the wars between the Catholics and the protestants. My Pastors have read the Koran, they even have talked about it to try and correct all the misconceptions about it. Islam is a religion in desperate need of a reformation!!!!

yes I know of all of that also read the Old Testament. Even down to removal of the great toes and thumbs of kings so they couldn’t fight. Charlamain and the crusades. Even one priest who would convince nazi to repent then hold them under til The bubbles stop. Killing the peoples who killed Jesus was the battle cry. Yes. The Bible records all those things. No one is perfect not one. It records lies and all. “ the Bible is a book man couldn’t write if he wouldn’t and wouldn’t right if he could.” Your belief process is intriguing.

 

[Wyobohunter]

I will guess either are a atheist or agnostic. Just a guess along with others on here. I can look at things and know that it’s only by God. You look at things and don’t want to believe it could be God.

I don’t consider myself any kind of “ist” in this context. Obviously you are an “ist”, that’s cool. The existence of a god in the form you believe is definitely a possibility. One of an infinite number. It’s just as likely we are a dollar store game for the teenage bunnies on the dark side of the moon.

I think it’s just as likely you are trying very hard to convince yourself that you really believe (just in case).

 

[Billinsd]

We’re all going to die anyways so what does it matter if a loving and compassionate god let’s you go about your life for a few years only to separate you from your family and cast you into hell for all eternity.

What does it matter right?

Believe in Jesus with all your heart that's your ticket!! It's my ticket and it's my belief. If works and good deeds are part of getting into heaven, I screwed. Jesus says in the Bible he died for our sins.

 

[Lowg08]

Weeeellll....... it is though, isn't it.

Belief itself is not a religion, belief in one specific tenet & adhering to its principles & teachings is a religion. Like, Christianity?

"Once you understand why you don't believe in anyone else's God, you'll understand why I don't believe in yours"

"We're both atheists. I just believe in one less god than you"

I am no atheist period. Nope. Not even close.

 

[Sapcut]

If dogs came from wolves why are there still wolves? If labradoodles came from labradors why are there still Poodles? That one keeps me up… Why the hell are there poodles? Come on extinction, do us a solid for once!

Your question flies in the face of any Noah “in kind” argument. We didn’t evolve from the apes we know today.

Those are Ifs and man made Ifs.

 

[Lowg08]

Believe in Jesus with all your heart that's your ticket!! It's my ticket and it's my belief. If works and good deeds are part of getting into heaven, I screwed. Jesus says in the Bible he died for our sins.

Deeds have nothing to do with getting into heaven. Living out your faith is but not one deed will help you get in. It’s by the blood of Jesus Christ and what you did with it once you received it. Commanded to spread the gospel and love one another. Which could mean having to chose a side and defend your faith.

 

[Preston]

Earths Catastrophe Past by Andrew Snelling and several books by Henry Morris go into great detail about the biblical flood, fossil record. It was global in nature and these fossil records are present not only in Montana, North America, but in Russia to Australia. They all point to a young earth. Radio carbon dating doesn’t/cannot be the only determining method.

A general observation across much of western US and drill samples throughout the world all point to multiple sediment layers being deposited over a quick period with no erosion occurring, bc they were deposited and covered within hours. If there was a gap of few years or 1000’s as the evolution theory says there should be large scale erosion features, which haven’t been located.