Certainly worth a gander.....but don't delete it just because you don't believe it.

[Sapcut]

What guidelines would Jesus have condoned? I really like the story of Jesus even if it is fiction. He was a pretty radical character.

The most important would be to repent and follow him. Not smart enough to have a better answer for you than that.

And yes, a pretty radical guy. I mean he's God, Creator, came to earth as a man, didn’t sin like we do, and died as a man for our sins so we don’t have to. Then to top of his radiness, he was resurrected. That is what other radical wannabe gods didn’t do.

And I get to talk to this guy every day. The more the better. I mean really talk to him. Not sure how you guys live without him.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

The most important would be to repent and follow him. Not smart enough to have a better answer for you than that.

And yes, a pretty radical guy. I mean he's God, Creator, came to earth as a man, didn’t sin like we do, and died as a man for our sins so we don’t have to. Then to top of his radiness, he was resurrected. That is what other radical wannabe gods didn’t do.

And I get to talk to this guy every day. The more the better. I mean really talk to him. Not sure how you guys live without him.

And he managed to radicalize billions of people too.

 

[Texasbuckeye]

What guidelines would Jesus have condoned? I really like the story of Jesus even if it is fiction. He was a pretty radical character.

The thing anout Jesus’ story is it isnt fiction, the history of the man Jesus is well documented and there can be no denying the man Jesus of Nazareth actually lived and died on a roman cross.

The other thing is he said he was the son of God, many times. Saying such things either makes him a wildly crazy dude whose teachings should he taken with as much credibility as a NYC subway hermit, or they have to be true. There isnt much middle ground. And to say the story is fiction is just ignoring the historical record. Make a decision, eother way, but make up your mind. Either like him and learn more with an open mind, or stay close minded and ignore the facts. Currently what you described is blissful ignorance.

 

[JFK]

I think there is some new, maybe undocumented, level of stupidly happening on this thread. Glad I could witness it.

Jesus didn’t shoot a Tikka. Neither should you.

 

[HighUintas]

Doug Forcett (the stoner in Calgary) knows the truth. 92% of it, anyways.

 

[Kenn]

I’m taking all your questions serious. It wouldn’t have necessarily been a farm BUT I Do not and have not looked at this question. If you don’t mind I would like some time to look into this before I answer your question. A wrong answer is worse than a the best answer I can find that has corroborated evidence that can stand the testing of it.

While you’re researching that see if you can figure out what the carnivores ate for the first few years after they disembarked from the ark.

 

[Montana Slim]

Nobody participating in this thread is walking away with a different perspective than they came in with. Similar to any political topic.

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Greatest cinematic achievement in human history...

 

[thinhorn_AK]

While you’re researching that see if you can figure out what the carnivores ate for the first few years after they disembarked from the ark.

Mind = blown

 

[Wvroach]

It sure would. He asked for an explanation. It was not an attack on a person but the position. The exact opposite of ad hominem. If we’re going to use fancy terms let’s try to use them correctly.

How were two of every animal that currently walk or fly crammed aboard an arc that was roughly 1/2 the size of the titanic (not really a very big ship) with enough food to sustain them?

I did give him a answer, several actually. I never got a answer to the questions I asked in return though.

Ad hominem- in a way that is directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.

Certainly calling Noah a dirt farmer, belittling ancient man's technology to make the opposition seem ignorant wouldn't qualify... Or the stick figure drawings, again a attack on the person being incapable of reason comparing them to a child and child's drawing...

As for the latter part, 2 of each kind. Speciation is universally accepted by creationist and evolutionist as far as I'm aware, as it is true science and observable and repeatable.

So say the good folks that “compiled” all of it. Flock on

Are you trying to make the argument that 1 book can not be compiled of a collection of books? Most modern text books are a compilation of different authors. If you were to believe any historical writings, their is more evidence for biblical writings than any other work of antiquity.
The match between hand scribed scrolls found all around the region, even the latest of the new testament being written within 100 years of chirst crucifixion.

Yet people won't question, did Nero, Caligula, Augustus etc exist which we have far less information on or matching historical documents.

Given infinite time, space and matter. Anything that could possibly happen will happen. The odds are extraordinarily high that there is another me typing this somewhere.

Can you prove this theory please?
Sure takes a lot of imagination again..

 

[Hpark3r]

I always find it interesting that folks in this setting- enjoying God’s beautiful creation and fascinating animals that provide us food, would deny that very Creator (I’m thinking Romans 1:19-20). The fact of the matter is, you don’t have to believe in Him. You also don’t have to believe in gravity to feel the effects of it. Everyone will stand before Him one day, whether we believe it or not. We choose an eternity separated from Him and His glory (along with all the other negative aspects of hell) or we choose to submit to Him and spend eternity in His presence. God doesn’t want us to go to hell (2 Pet 3:9), so He provided a way out- Jesus paid for all our sins on that cruel cross because He loves all of us, even those who scoff. He conquered death and will grant eternal life in heaven with Him to those who follow Him.

 

[Wvroach]

Absolutely agree, however that doesn't make it true or not true. One must believe, that's why it's called religion. I believe in Jesus Christ, and I believe the Bible books are stories, and defi not written to be taken literary for the most part, especially creation!!! I believe in Jesus, that he died on the cross for our sins, and if I believe this my sins will be forgiven and I will go to heaven. This is my belief and it is impossible to prove or deny. Why do people feel the need to try and prove religious beliefs? Science is different (physics, math, chemistry, biology science) it's based on the pursuit and understanding of the natural world following a systematic methodology based on evidence. I'm a Christian and seek my pastor for faith issues and my physician for medical ones. If I seek medical questions from my pastor the first thing he tells me is he's not a physician. We do pray for medical healing because I believe it's connected and can help, especially the emotional part of feeling better. Medicine is science, my belief in Jesus is religious. I do both. When people push to try and prove Religion as science I call them very misguided at best and charlatans at worst. Your mileage may differ......

My basis for the statement was not to prove authority by showing it is a compilation of books and therefore it must be true. It was to respond to the accusation that it was "a" book written by 1 man.

When you call evolution (with the exception of speciation) science it is also wrong. It is not able to be proven, much the same way as id be willing to concede that a younger earth or older earth creationist could not prove it. Science is observable and repeatable. Evolution, be that macro, organic, cosmic or stellar is not.
I personally believe the evidence shows that God created the heavens earth and all that is in them.

I don't feel the "need to prove" but I do feel inclined to provide a biblical answer, as we are directed to in 1 peter 3:15 anytime anyone ask.

I don't need to push my religion as "science" but I don't think we should be calling evolution as science either. I especially don't think we should be indoctrinating our youth in the public school system with that belief.

 

[Wvroach]

Islam threatens you with your neck, Christianity threatens us with eternal damnation.

Christians have no business trying to take the moral high ground in any discussion.

Where do you get your morality from then? Please don't borrow from the christian worldview.

Lots of atheist have taken morality into their own hands with the common good argument. At the cost of over a hundred million lives in the 20th century alone, Mao Zedong, Hitler, Stalin, ho chi Minh. Etc ....

 

[Wyobohunter]

The thing anout Jesus’ story is it isnt fiction, the history of the man Jesus is well documented and there can be no denying the man Jesus of Nazareth actually lived and died on a roman cross.

The other thing is he said he was the son of God, many times. Saying such things either makes him a wildly crazy dude whose teachings should he taken with as much credibility as a NYC subway hermit, or they have to be true. There isnt much middle ground. And to say the story is fiction is just ignoring the historical record. Make a decision, eother way, but make up your mind. Either like him and learn more with an open mind, or stay close minded and ignore the facts. Currently what you described is blissful ignorance.

Ok. It’s not fiction. Answer the question. What immigrants would Jesus turn away?

 

[Wvroach]

Ok. It’s not fiction. Answer the question. What immigrants would Jesus turn away?

The ethno state of Israel was to take in foreigners, and I believe if the US were a biblical theocracy we should do the same.

The caveat to this though is that the foreigner that was grafted in to Israel was to assimilate to Israel's laws, beliefs, and customs. They were not allowed to worship Baals as they chose, they were not allowed to break the laws and customs of the people. They were to pay the taxes due as well.

The Bible teaches that if you don't work you don't eat and we should not have the welfare system as it currently stands. On that same note we should not forsake the orphan or the widow and I believe it should be the community that helps their own people. Not a overreaching federal or state government that has no idea of the person's actual situation.

The immigration system as it stands is drastically flawed. We can all probably agree on that, well maybe....

 

[Wyobohunter]

Ad hominem- in a way that is directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.

Certainly calling Noah a dirt farmer, belittling ancient man's technology to make the opposition seem ignorant wouldn't qualify... Or the stick figure drawings, again a attack on the person being incapable of reason comparing them to a child and child's drawing...

As for the latter part, 2 of each kind. Speciation is universally accepted by creationist and evolutionist as far as I'm aware, as it is true science and observable and repeatable.

Are you trying to make the argument that 1 book can not be compiled of a collection of books? Most modern text books are a compilation of different authors. If you were to believe any historical writings, their is more evidence for biblical writings than any other work of antiquity.
The match between hand scribed scrolls found all around the region, even the latest of the new testament being written within 100 years of chirst crucifixion.

Yet people won't question, did Nero, Caligula, Augustus etc exist which we have far less information on or matching historical documents.

Can you prove this theory please?
Sure takes a lot of imagination again..

-Ad hominem would be an attack on the person you are debating. Not on the subject of the debate (in this case Noah). Read a little about rhetoric before debating friend.

-Please explain your take on speciation and how it’s happened over just a few thousand years.

-When I typed “compiled” I wasn’t hinting that a book cannot be compiled. I was insinuating that the Bible has way fewer actual authors and is imaginary nonsense put together for the purpose of control.

-I don’t think you understand how the scientific method works. A theory is a theory because it can’t be proven but there is evidence to support it and no one has disproven it. Also, what I said about infinite time and possibilities would actually be a hypotheses.

-I really do appreciate what you are trying to do for me. Saving my soul from eternal damnation & all. Are you doing it because of the reward or because it’s the right thing to do? That question is rhetorical. I maintain that if the Bible had no punishment/reward system there would be fewer believers. That is a deontological question and a branch of philosophy that may interest you.

 

[Mike Islander]

This thread makes so sad. Proof that much of our population are gullible idiots.

 

[Wyobohunter]

The ethno state of Israel was to take in foreigners, and I believe if the US were a biblical theocracy we should do the same.

The caveat to this though is that the foreigner that was grafted in to Israel was to assimilate to Israel's laws, beliefs, and customs. They were not allowed to worship Baals as they chose, they were not allowed to break the laws and customs of the people. They were to pay the taxes due as well.

The Bible teaches that if you don't work you don't eat and we should not have the welfare system as it currently stands. On that same note we should not forsake the orphan or the widow and I believe it should be the community that helps their own people. Not a overreaching federal or state government that has no idea of the person's actual situation.

The immigration system as it stands is drastically flawed. We can all probably agree on that, well maybe....

You have not directly answered the question. I’ll ask it again. Which immigrants would Jesus turn away? Since you (or any other Christian on this thread so far) haven’t answered I’ll take a shot.

Jesus would turn no immigrants away. He would be at the border giving succor.

He isn’t here to do that. A truly devout Christian would do it in his stead.

 

[robtattoo]

 

[BuzzH]

While you’re researching that see if you can figure out what the carnivores ate for the first few years after they disembarked from the ark.

What did they eat on the ark?

 

[Sapcut]

Mind = blown

No doubt. All of the things God just does blows my mind. If it didn’t, it would suggest I may be too arrogant for my own good, a strong barrier shielding the truth.