Canada bans sale/transfer of handguns

[Ratbeetle]

Yep it is. It's even the same sear, only notched. Volt carriers can vary as well but civilians can buy "full auto" bolt carriers. Again it is irrelevant as select fire doesn't add anything to the ar15 or M16.

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Who cares. What is your point exactly? Are you one of those "I support the 2a, but..." types?

 

[KBC]

Can you guys stop arguing? I think you’re on the same side.

 

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Texas gubernatorial candidate Beto O’Rourke declared on the campaign trail that owners of semi-automatic rifles like the AR-15 shouldn’t "be able to keep them."

 

[amassi]

Who cares. What is your point exactly? Are you one of those "I support the 2a, but..." types?

Nope no but. I absolutely support the 2A vehemently. I just think it's disingenuous to pretend Like the ar15 is some neutered toy compared to the m16.
Fwiw so anyone who cares knows-I support the 2A, I support repealing the 1934 NFA and its ludicrous definitions and measurements. I support ownership by us citizens of whatever firearms they want at 18. Including suppressed 10" full auto rifles.

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[BjornF16]

Yep it is. It's even the same sear, only notched.

The one part that matters is different. This is the one part that removes an AR-15 from the established definition of "assault rifle" that I posted earlier...namely select fire or automatic fire capability.

Again it is irrelevant as select fire doesn't add anything to the ar15 or M16.

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Straw man fallacy. You've taken your opinion and attached it to the definition of "assault rifle". You even gave an example of a bolt action rifle being an effective suppressing fire weapon.

Serious question: Do you believe that other repeating rifles should be categorized as an "assault rifle" (i.e. lever actions, bolt actions, pump actions, semi-autos)?

 

[Ratbeetle]

Nope no but. I absolutely support the 2A vehemently. I just think it's disingenuous to pretend Like the ar15 is some neutered toy compared to the m16.
Fwiw so anyone who cares knows-I support the 2A, I support repealing the 1934 NFA and its ludicrous definitions and measurements. I support ownership by us citizens of whatever firearms they want at 18. Including suppressed 10" full auto rifles.

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Good, I can get behind that as I personally don't really give a crap what gun grabbers want to label ARs anyway. The real argument isn't the thrusts per squeeze nonsense anyway. The only defense we need to rally behind is our constitutional right to own arms as a defense against governmental tyranny. And to ensure that any resistance to tyranny be viable, we need to have most effective weapons available to us. Weapons of war are exactly what an armed citizenry need. Soccer mom and soy dad feelings be damned.

Having said that, 2a absolutists arguing over some semantics is counterproductive right now.

 

[Ratbeetle]

The one part that matters is different. This is the one part that removes an AR-15 from the established definition of "assault rifle" that I posted earlier...namely select fire or automatic fire capability.



Straw man fallacy. You've taken your opinion and attached it to the definition of "assault rifle". You even gave an example of a bolt action rifle being an effective suppressing fire weapon.

Serious question: Do you believe that other repeating rifles should be categorized as an "assault rifle" (i.e. lever actions, bolt actions, pump actions, semi-autos)?

I'd say the same to you. I think you two are on the same side and this is not the argument we need to be making.

 

[amassi]

Good, I can get behind that as I personally don't really give a crap what gun grabbers want to label ARs anyway. The real argument isn't the thrusts per squeeze nonsense anyway. The only defense we need to rally behind is our constitutional right to own arms as a defense against governmental tyranny. And to ensure that any resistance to tyranny be viable, we need to most effective weapons available to us. Weapons of war are exactly what an armed citizenry need. Soccer mom and soy dad feelings be damned.

Having said that, 2a absolutists arguing over some semantics is counterproductive right now.

Agreed, I got sucked in to this. I'm gonna let this dead dog lie

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[OregonSteeler]

Looks like Biden meet with NZ's PM...and is soliciting advice on gun control ala NZ style:

'We Need Your Guidance' — Joe Biden Meets with New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern on Gun Control and Online Extremism

President Joe Biden warmly welcomed New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern to the White House on Tuesday.

www.breitbart.com

Maybe someone should ask the President to de-arm his security detail along with past presidents. Ya know, because there's no reason to have handguns.....

 

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the most protected man on earth, protected by firearms, says no one needs those type of firearms.

the man with the biggest carbon footprint on earth says no more fossil fuels....while he has no plan to eliminate using fossil fuels himself.

c'mon, man.

 

[roadrunner]

Yes it was- as was its predecessor the ar10, m14, fal etc. The main draw of the ar15 was the combat load increased from 140 rounds of 7.62 to 210 rounds of 5
56
Ww2 fire supports came In the form of crew served 30 cal belt fed machine guns, artillery and mortars. It was slow and costly. The solution for the US and allies was to create a lightweight rifle that had similar firepower as the bar but could be serviced by a single gunner. Now a squad would have 13 rifles capable of establishing a sufficient amount of fire so other elements aka fireteam could maneuver and destroy.
Obviously most squads also have a crew served lightweight machine gun but the ar-15, or m16 are very capable at providing sufficient fires to suppress a determined enemy

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Understand the context of trudeau's statement along with all the other anti's out there. In this context, civilian use, the sporting rifle (aka to them "assault" weapon) WAS NOT designed to "mow down" as many soft targets as possible in the shortest amount of time.

 

[MuleyFever]

A single semi-auto rifle won't suppress with much effect.

I dont know, it suppressed the Uvalde cops quite well.

 

[Yarak]

The next things on the ban list are
Pencils that misspell words
Spoons that make people fat
Vehicles that cause accidents
Look for this to happen in the good Ol USA too

 

[Lawnboi]

I hear they are banning pressure canners up there now too. Who needs to can their own food when you can just buy it at the store?

 

[bozeman]

I know 2 who got added to ignore……….

 

[long hunter]

Issues in comparing the M-16 to a AR-15 is a bit more complicated than most think, starting with the lower reciever there is a block to stop the selector switch from the full auto position on the outside of the reciever, there is block cast into the rear of the reciever on the inside of the reciever (yes I know they can be milled or jury rigged to bye pass those issues)as to the trigger group the full auto military one is a bit more complicated than the civilian version, the full auto bolt carrier refrences as a long slot where the civilian version has a shorter slot in the bottom portion of the carrier. We need to remeber these current efforts to restrict ownership of AR type rifles will not stop there. Any semi auto weapon is not safe this includes pistols, shotguns and semi auto hunting rifles. Now the fool is on a mission to ban 9mm weapons, see where this goes. Like joe said when running for the office I believe in the 2nd admendment hell everyone should have a shotgun.

 

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If everyone just said no to all new gun control laws what could 'they' do?

Strength in Unity.

 

[Forestryguy]

I dont know, it suppressed the Uvalde cops quite well.

That is not a true statement. The actions of the School Police Department suppressed their own response. They waited for a tac team to arrive. The IC went with the assumption that it was just a barricaded suspect, with no threat to children.

There is a whole lot of questions to be answered about that day, by all agencies that were on scene.

 

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The way I understand this is that kids were calling 911 begging for help past 12:30 so how did they assume there was no threat to kids?

The school district police head who was in charge will not cooperate with investigators....or so I hear.

 

[KBC]

As a Canadian in Kanuckistan, I had hope this thread would be a humorous pooping on all things Canuck. Instead you guys just can’t help arguing with each other or shake the need to be the guy who is right.

I have so many hilarious trudope memes to post but I don’t think you are worthy.