Bring back made in USA..

[Marbles]

Me, my wife, and virtually all of our friends. And the people we grew up around.

I worked 7-14s for the first few months after I graduated. No one was shocked or surprised.

Similar experience.

My first job (not counting ranking leaves for the neighbors) was for a landscaper at 14. I worked is a groundman for heavy equipment at 15 until I left for college at 17. I did drop out of highschool though, so there is that.

My three sisters all had jobs by 15 years old. Every friend I can think of also worked in highschool.

 

[Redwing]

I never said lazy people were the ONLY problem. But it most definitely is one of the largest at the moment.

As to degrees, if you get a philosophy degree that’s about the same career choice as game streamer with very little chance of success. Choose your career path wisely.

Interesting, the two people I know with philosophy degrees are both making north of 300k/year. But please, tell them that they "clearly don't understand business."

 

[brewster22]

With the shortage of everything and the price tag attached to all good, I think it's time for manufacturing to shift back to producing products here in the USA. If you are waiting for the price of good to go back down, don't hold your breath. I live in so. Cal. uggh, and the number of container ships, last count 62, with 500k containers, waiting up to four weeks to unload is amazing. The cost to ship each container has gone up from around $2k per to $4500 on avg. Who do you think is paying that extra cost, us that's who. And it's likely to go higher in the near future. So with all that extra cost to ship from overseas, when will it become more financially beneficial to gear back up and manufacture right here in the USA. Or are we just going accept the fact that we are going to continue to be at the mercy of offshore goods, along with the increasing cost.

 

[brewster22]

we can force change 1 Garment at a time. When you get ready to buy overpriced hunting clothes just don't do it. Research the internet where they are made.

 

[Szwampdonkey]

I'm a millennial, and I started working in construction full time at 16. We exist.....

Thankfully a few do! Its dang near impossible to find people to work nowadays.

 

[Szwampdonkey]

Interesting, the two people I know with philosophy degrees are both making north of 300k/year. But please, tell me that I "clearly don't understand business."

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So you are saying you know two that make $300k a year? 1. They have an advanced degree and are not using their philosophy degree or 2. I call bs on that one (i would bet this is the answer)

Even if factual you seem to be implying a philosophy degree is a wise choice promising well paying jobs around every corner in which case you absolutely do not understand business.

 

[TSAMP]

I think one of the biggest problems is parents. Parents are asking their precious baby what is your dream? "I want to be a unicorn herding, professional gamer", that requires a Gender Studies degree from Harvard that only costs $200k. The parents that only make $100k/year help their baby take out soul crushing student loans and let them live at home for free until they are 30 yrs old. All of that gets them a part time job at Walmart that they are "too good for". They usually decide they should be the CEO after about 4 hrs at work and quit. All you had to do is say NO. Tell them it's not realistic and if they want to do that, it's up to them. You can't accomplish your child's dream. It's theirs. It requires hard work and discipline. If they aren't willing to put in that kind of effort in whatever they want to do, it's not happening. Financially supporting your adult child, to casually go to college for a useless degree is destroying this country.
I don't discourage my kids dreams, even if I think they are nonsense. My oldest son decided at one point he wanted to be a rapper, which was completely ridiculous. I didn't squash his dream or let him live at home for free. I told him that was awesome and to work at it as hard as he possibly could with the free time that he had. If he got to the point where he could support himself rapping, then he would be able to quit his job. That required a huge commitment. Needless to say, he's not a rapper.

I just did this last night telling an 8 year old he wasn't going to play in the NFL. After further analysis I modified my statement and told him if starts now and he worked really hard he might be a kicker.

But to get back on track. How about the WEATHERTECH commercial last night? They seem to be all about American manufacturing. I have them in my truck and know they weren't cheap.

 

[callmeishmael]

The number of words in this thread is nothing short of amazing - what a time to be alive.

 

[Marbles]

So you are saying you know two that make $300k a year? 1. They have an advanced degree and are not using their philosophy degree or 2. I call bs on that one (i would bet this is the answer)

Even if factual you seem to be implying a philosophy degree is a wise choice promising well paying jobs around every corner in which case you absolutely do not understand business.

You keep saying that, about not using it. This is like saying an MD does not use there chemistry degree. No one uses there highschool degree, so highschool is a complete wast of time.

You appear to not understand that hard work builds on itself. No one "uses" the foundation of their house, so we should stop requiring them in building codes. That is the essence of your argument.

As was also pointed out, philosophy teaches logic. There is a reason it is a solid undergraduate choice for someone planning to apply to law schools. Just like there is a reason biology and chemistry are good choices for those planning on applying to med school.

Anyway, what is bull shit is a groundless accusation of lying. In general, people who are full of bull shit expect it from others, so such accusations usually reveal a lot more about the accuser than the accused.

 

[Maki35]

Look at today's society in America. Look at this generation. How many are willing to work in a factory or do manual labor. Many kids dream of an easy job that pays 6 figures. Many can't fathom working hard in a factory.

What does it take to run a factory in America? the overhead... taxes, health insurance, worker's comp, employee's benefits, a management team, unions, equipment, etc..

Corporate America knows it is more profitable to send the work overseas because the labor is cheaper, and they don't have the same overhead.
While Americans are complaining about being under paid. Folks overseas are willing to work longer hours and get paid a lot less than Americans.
China isn't pushing their products on us. It's American greed. Many American labels are now made overseas because it's more profitable for the CEO/ owners of the company.
We complain about China poor quality. Imo, it's what the U.S. brand is willing to pay for in quality.
Firstlite, Kuiu, Patagonia are made in China, it's a better quality but it also cost more.
You don't buy a chevy cruse and expect a Cadillac.
just my $0.02
Quality? Remington destroyed the Marlin brand. I use to have 2 Marlins made under Remington in the llion, NY factory. What a piece of garbage. Their customer service was also terrible. Even their own rifles suffered in quality. I ended up getting rid of them (you can find tons of Remlin horror stories on the internet.)

 

[Szwampdonkey]

You keep saying that, about not using it. This is like saying an MD does not use there chemistry degree. No one uses there highschool degree, so highschool is a complete wast of time.

You appear to not understand that hard work builds on itself. No one "uses" the foundation of their house, so we should stop requiring them in building codes. That is the essence of your argument.

As was also pointed out, philosophy teaches logic. There is a reason it is a solid undergraduate choice for someone planning to apply to law schools. Just like there is a reason biology and chemistry are good choices for those planning on applying to med school.

Anyway, what is bull shit is a groundless accusation of lying. In general, people who are full of bull shit expect it from others, so such accusations usually reveal a lot more about the accuser than the accused.

To say, "i know two people making $300K" is an absolute lie no doubt about it. How many times have you discussed with your friends, even siblings, parents, etc what they make per year? Yet that dude knows two and of course, they both have philosophy degrees.

The internet is hilarious. Btw, cant get into college without a high school diploma kid. But you can most definitely get into law school without a philosophy degree.

 

[CorbLand]

To say, "i know two people making $300K" is an absolute lie no doubt about it. How many times have you discussed with your friends, even siblings, parents, etc what they make per year? Yet that dude knows two and of course, they both have philosophy degrees.

The internet is hilarious. Btw, cant get into college without a high school diploma kid. But you can most definitely get into law school without a philosophy degree.

I know a couple guys that I couldn’t tell you their exact income but I do know that they make north of a million a year each. I have never asked them directly but it is evident.

As for millennials not wanting to work or them not working in high school. If you look at my tax records, I didn’t start working until I was 15…there were a lot of jobs from about 12 that I worked. The worst day of my life was when FICA showed up. What a bitch.

At this point the youngest millennial is ~26 so if you are looking at 18 year old saying they don’t want to work and blaming millennials, you are blaming the wrong generation.

 

[Yoder]

 

[schmalzy]

So you are saying you know two that make $300k a year? 1. They have an advanced degree and are not using their philosophy degree or 2. I call bs on that one (i would bet this is the answer)

Even if factual you seem to be implying a philosophy degree is a wise choice promising well paying jobs around every corner in which case you absolutely do not understand business.

Just because you’ve mentioned it a few times, what does it mean specifically to “understand business”?


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[jimwinks]

I always try to buy "Made in the USA". Truth is, sometimes it is very hard to find. It also takes some research to determine where items are being made to see what your options are.

 

[SoloWilderness]

I know a couple guys that I couldn’t tell you their exact income but I do know that they make north of a million a year each. I have never asked them directly but it is evident.

As for millennials not wanting to work or them not working in high school. If you look at my tax records, I didn’t start working until I was 15…there were a lot of jobs from about 12 that I worked. The worst day of my life was when FICA showed up. What a bitch.

At this point the youngest millennial is ~26 so if you are looking at 18 year old saying they don’t want to work and blaming millennials, you are blaming the wrong generation.

My brother has a philosophy degree, he also has an MBA, and makes north of $200k a year. Does he use his bachelors for business? No. But it set a good foundation of critical thinking, and rational analysis, along with the ability to understand multiple points of view. He also failed multiple times along the way to his success. Any degree is only as good as the effort put into life after that degree is earned.

Most millennials I know have left me in the dust as far as earning potential. They were there at the right time with the advent of computer-based work, it's just a whole different pay scale. Gen X, just a little too early, unless you had a very forward-thinking viewpoint, which most of us didn't when we graduated. Granted, the ones I know are mostly family, and had wise parents that set them on the right path with careers and financial savvy.

 

[Way Overkill]

I have two Master degrees (MBA and MS in Supply Chain Management), and a BA in Political Science. I can tell you first hand that most degrees are worthless these days in terms of you truly benefiting from the “education”. More technical degrees on the other hand (e.g. Engineering, medical school, etc.) are clearly more beneficial in terms of you actually applying what you learned in school. Most non-tech degrees these days are a great way for you to get your foot in the door (i.e. an initial interview) by meeting some “minimum requirements”. As a hiring manager myself, I can care less what degree you had or where you went to school. Recruiters on the other hand have filtered a lot of the applications, and it is easier for them to reduce a stack of 200+ applications setting some requirements, such as having a Masters.

My advice is for someone to get a degree that they will actually use and not that will get them an easy “A” or be relatively worthless to society. There is clearly more opportunities if you can get a STEM degree or anything technical. Plumbers and mechanics for example are easily making more than the majority of 22 year olds with a worthless Bachelors degree and burdened with debt. CHOOSE WISELY. Also, never too late to shift directions, but easier to do this without a ton of debt and without sinking a ton of time in a the “wrong” direction. Just my $0.02.

 

[CorbLand]

My brother has a philosophy degree, he also has an MBA, and makes north of $200k a year. Does he use his bachelors for business? No. But it set a good foundation of critical thinking, and rational analysis, along with the ability to understand multiple points of view. He also failed multiple times along the way to his success. Any degree is only as good as the effort put into life after that degree is earned.

Most millennials I know have left me in the dust as far as earning potential. They were there at the right time with the advent of computer-based work, it's just a whole different pay scale. Gen X, just a little too early, unless you had a very forward-thinking viewpoint, which most of us didn't when we graduated. Granted, the ones I know are mostly family, and had wise parents that set them on the right path with careers and financial savvy.

The best advice I could give anyone looking at going to college is to look at what you want to do and what it takes to get there. Does what you want to do really require you to go to college? The unfortunate answer with this is yes, it most likely does. 25 years ago a college education made you stand out from the rest, today a college education is a requirement to interview for an entry level position.

For the last 15 years we have demonized not going to college by telling people they are stupid/losers if they don’t go, then we turn around and tell those same kids they were dumb for going.

I was talking with my wife’s cousin, her boyfriends dad runs a multimillion dollar construction business. When asked what his plans were after graduation, he said “I am going to go serve a mission for my church, then come home and work for my dad to take over his business.” His high school counselor responded with “oh, so your going to be a loser for the rest of your life.”

This is what we are telling 18 year olds, myself being one of them. Then we tell them they were dumb for the choices they made based on what they are being told.

Edit to add. I quoted the wrong post than what I intended with my response.

 

[sneaky]

I know a couple guys that I couldn’t tell you their exact income but I do know that they make north of a million a year each. I have never asked them directly but it is evident.

As for millennials not wanting to work or them not working in high school. If you look at my tax records, I didn’t start working until I was 15…there were a lot of jobs from about 12 that I worked. The worst day of my life was when FICA showed up. What a bitch.

At this point the youngest millennial is ~26 so if you are looking at 18 year old saying they don’t want to work and blaming millennials, you are blaming the wrong generation.

You may as well be discussing this with a fence post, because this dude isn't going to get it. He's got it all figured out, yet somehow hasn't shown any qualifications to back up his claims of knowing everything.

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[displacedtexan]

Look at today's society in America. Look at this generation. How many are willing to work in a factory or do manual labor. Many kids dream of an easy job that pays 6 figures. Many can't fathom working hard in a factory.

I'm a carpenter, I work hard. I weld, build engines and vehicles, all sorts of physically demanding stuff for fun.

Only way I'd take a factory job would be if my family starving was the only option.

And I know how to hunt.