I don't think I will even be using these for practice as my Tikka hates them. The target on the right was 24 rounds of 112 Match Burner (using H4350 and H4831sc), the target on the left was 25 rounds of 108 ELDM using H4350 (top two groups) and H4831sc (center). The 112s gave acceptable groups with a starting loads of H4831sc pushing them at 2381 fps and 2459 fps yesterday, but that's about it. The groups grew from their and had me wondering if I had a rifle/scope problem as the day before I had only loaded up the 112s and the groups opened up as I throughout the range session. The left target was shot after the right.Well, I have 500 coming. Will likely give them a try on mountain goat and perhaps bear. I have some 103 ELDXs and 108 ELDMs to play with too though. Got the barrel screwed on and rifle put together this evening.