ban on video taping hunts on public ground

[PurpleDriver]

Just devil’s advocate, but….If you can’t film for profit, then you also can’t profit from a trophy pic that may gain you a prize in a big buck contest. It’s a slippery slope when gov’t bans anything.

not to mention the amount taxes would be increased in order to increase law enforcement manpower.

no free lunch here…

 

[CMF]

I watch videos of bull riding, rock climbing, racing, and all sorts of things I have no desire to do. People watch a variety of things they don't desire to do, it's called entertainment. It's better to present hunting authentically than to hide it and act like it doesn't exist and further isolate it from the general population.

 

[ddd-shooter]

You think we're more likely to get support from nonhunters by suppressing hunting content?

Besides muley freak
Who else got busted for poaching ?

The list of well known poachers is extensive. Spook, Brackett, bowmars, busbices, etc

Google celebrity poacher and see how many MAINSTREAM news articles cover the bowmar case. How many non hunting readers do MAINSTREAM media outlets reach?
Do you remember what supported the ban of grizzly hunting in British Columbia? Bad social media.

How many mainstream news orgs cover good hunting content? CBS interviewed Rinella recently and that’s about it

 

[Loggerdude]

I wonder if anyone enforces videos of rioting on federal land within city limits and did they get a permit

 

[30338]

Apparently depends on who is "rioting" lol.

I really don't care what people do on public land. If they are filming and then make money that is fine by me. I'd have issues with people cutting logs for profit or hauling off rocks for profit. Some members of our society seem to be tagging rock faces with spray paint. I find that in very poor taste and would be all for some large fines in those cases.

Fail to see any issue with someone filming a hunt and marketing the film.

 

[PurpleDriver]

There should be a ban on threads/posts, calling for bans......

Agreed! Don’t ban it, find a way to make a law that makes the professional influencers owe royalties so at least the broke game agencies can get funding to help enforce that new law. Look at that…job creation.

 

[FatCampzWife]

You’re the one who wanted more interest to keep “hunting from shooting down altogether”

My point was that EVEN IF we doubled, it wouldn’t matter at the ballot box

I think you are wrong here, making the assumption that the only voters postlitively effected by new hunters are the hunters themselves. New hunters who have positive experiences inadvertently influence their social circle, whom also vote.

It's very much like garnering support for production agriculture...expose them to reality & give them a positive experience, & they can influence & educate others...who vote.

I HATE when bozos expose our favorite spots on social media & a bunch of newbies flood it...but I suspect that may be the cost of being able to have the freedom to be there AT ALL.

Just my two cents.

 

[Idaboy]

I'm all for protecting public land and habitat.
But inviting a useless regulation like banning filming will do nothing to protect land and habitat. It's just a feel-good measure for someone who thinks their spot is burned cause of youtube. If everyone is flocking to a spot cause of youtube there must be another spot void of all those people.
If it's not video, there will be pics, if not social media, there will be magazines. There will always be media and there will always be people who seek out adventure and look for new hunting opportunities.

This

And this

Again, no disrespect but let's think this through
A- they are NOT banning filming, they are regulating it for COMMERCIAL use
B- you can still film your hunts and adventures and post all you want on your social media, if you are not benefitting from it commercially
C- if you are against any such commercial filming, then are you fine with drone zooming over your elk honey hole trying to film the backdrop of the Rockies for some TV commercial?
D- it's Sept 15, you're all ready for bulging season and chasing bulls, and an entire film production crew has 3 horses camps set up to film the next wild west scene back in the drainage you use for your spike camp?

No thanks, I want some oversight before Hollywood rolls into the backcountry....and don't think they won't

 

[Idaboy]

Just devil’s advocate, but….If you can’t film for profit, then you also can’t profit from a trophy pic that may gain you a prize in a big buck contest. It’s a slippery slope when gov’t bans anything.

not to mention the amount taxes would be increased in order to increase law enforcement manpower.

no free lunch here…

That's way outside what they are trying to regulate. I am not sure how film(video) and simple photos are getting all combined in this....again, it's not a ban, it's regulating what's going on..there are all kinds of national forest regulations to prevent people from overuse and limit commercial development

We have have some basic set of rules and it makes discussions in the woods be way smoother, we have to be able to hold each other accountabile.

It's like the motor use maps for roads, of course they don't have the man power to "police" all the roads. But it sure makes it easier for me to pull out my map, pull out a GPS and politely say "sir, this isn't a motor bike trail, could you head back to the trailhead, thanks."

 

[Idaboy]

Just devil’s advocate, but….If you can’t film for profit, then you also can’t profit from a trophy pic that may gain you a prize in a big buck contest. It’s a slippery slope when gov’t bans anything.

not to mention the amount taxes would be increased in order to increase law enforcement manpower.

no free lunch here…

I agree with " there's no free lunch", if you are producing commercial video on national forest you should pay for a permit.

 

[GMiller]

Just devil’s advocate, but….If you can’t film for profit, then you also can’t profit from a trophy pic that may gain you a prize in a big buck contest. It’s a slippery slope when gov’t bans anything.

not to mention the amount taxes would be increased in order to increase law enforcement manpower.

no free lunch here…

Good point, there’s always two sides to everything. Hardly ever is there a clear cut right answer with no drawbacks.

 

[ianpadron]

Never invite more govt into your life.


Pretty @#$%&×! Simple.

Only comment that matters right here.

 

[Larry Bartlett]

Oh man I have first hand experience on this topic: Im in Alaska. It costs $100 to get a filming permit on USFWS lands and in some cases for BLM the price starts around $500 due to the EIS process. If you plan to make a profit from the film, even monetized Youtube accounts, a permit is required. That means the production video and its content if used commercially requires the permit and up to a 6-month wait to get it for commercially filming on federal public land. Each agency has different requirements, timelines and fees.

However, if you don't charge for viewing your video, you don't need permission or a permit. Additionally, you should remember that the BLM agency automatically notifies any neighboring land owners about your intent prior to you going there... I was filming Project Bloodtrail in 2007, which was a covert hunting study navigating a public lands river surrounded by native lands. BLM didn't tell me upfront they were obliged to notify the land owner, and that native corp sent scouts to spy on my operation and caused some conflict in the field about land boundaries and our presence "on their lands." They even requested trespass enforcement by the State Troopers which wasn't enforceable on private lands. None of that sat well with me, even if on the right side of the law.

In 2006 I was cited for 2 counts of filming without a permit on federal lands for the same video. Each fine was $1000, and one of the clips I got cited for was a 30-sec B-roll clip from my buddy's hunt on a different river on different National Wildlife Refuge. Hide officially chapped!

I have story after story for examples of federal management staff surfing the web and discovering "suspiciously familiar landscapes or identifiable terrain features to nab a scheme or create a "case against" for disturbing in situ artifacts or horn/antler length questions, you name it. I stopped getting permits and just don't charge for content, mainly so I don't have to disclose my plans to the land managers what I'm doing and where on public lands.

 

[Still Hunter]

Another way to tax us. It's ridiculous. The fleecing of America.

 

[Idaboy]

Another way to tax us. It's ridiculous. The fleecing of America.

So you are filming commercially?

 

[Idaboy]

Oh man I have first hand experience on this topic: Im in Alaska. It costs $100 to get a filming permit on USFWS lands and in some cases for BLM the price starts around $500 due to the EIS process. If you plan to make a profit from the film, even monetized Youtube accounts, a permit is required. That means the production video and its content if used commercially requires the permit and up to a 6-month wait to get it for commercially filming on federal public land. Each agency has different requirements, timelines and fees.

However, if you don't charge for viewing your video, you don't need permission or a permit. Additionally, you should remember that the BLM agency automatically notifies any neighboring land owners about your intent prior to you going there... I was filming Project Bloodtrail in 2007, which was a covert hunting study navigating a public lands river surrounded by native lands. BLM didn't tell me upfront they were obliged to notify the land owner, and that native corp sent scouts to spy on my operation and caused some conflict in the field about land boundaries and our presence "on their lands." They even requested trespass enforcement by the State Troopers which wasn't enforceable on private lands. None of that sat well with me, even if on the right side of the law.

In 2006 I was cited for 2 counts of filming without a permit on federal lands for the same video. Each fine was $1000, and one of the clips I got cited for was a 30-sec B-roll clip from my buddy's hunt on a different river on different National Wildlife Refuge. Hide officially chapped!

I have story after story for examples of federal management staff surfing the web and discovering "suspiciously familiar landscapes or identifiable terrain features to nab a scheme or create a "case against" for disturbing in situ artifacts or horn/antler length questions, you name it. I stopped getting permits and just don't charge for content, mainly so I don't have to disclose my plans to the land managers what I'm doing and where on public lands.

Of all the posts claiming to be against a permit, Larry here appears to be the only one on 6 pages of posts who actually is "in" the film/media business. So Thank You Larry, for giving a legit example of how this may affect a person.....would love to hear Newberg, Argali, Gohunt, Rinella and BRO give their accounts of what they go through to film and if they care at all, that they may have to obtain a permit or what type of permitting, or less regulation, they would like to see.

 

[Justin Crossley]

Hunting is self limiting in the way that hiking is not. You don’t have to apply for twenty years to hike the best trails in America.

Actually, that is happening with hiking/camping. It's not as bad as getting premium tags yet, but it's happening.

There is an awesome place in the cascades called the Enchantments. My wife and I would love to backpack through it for a week, but you have to apply for a permit in a lottery.

 

[Idaboy]

Actually, that is happening with hiking/camping. It's not as bad as getting premium tags yet, but it's happening.

There is an awesome place in the cascades called the Enchantments. My wife and I would love to backpack through it for a week, but you have to apply for a permit in a lottery.

Totally agree.....Tons of examples like this this....rafting idaho rivers/trying to draw middle fork float permit, BWCA in Minnesota (that place would be over run without the permit system), getting a campsite on an island in Voyages National Park, list goes on....we have tons of access to public lands but the access and types of use is not "unlimited"..... Need to stay United as hunters around access, habitat and herd preservation and we may find that those are areas that we may find common ground with hikers, motorbike trail riders and film people alike...doesn't have to be an "us vs them" mentality as others have implied or " big government".

 

[Still Hunter]

So you are filming commercially?

Did I say I was filming or imply that I filmed at all? So are you another snowflake making unfounded assumptions based on a single comment? I don't film at all. To provide some clarification for you seeing how you felt the need to comment on my post, and so you don't go on making "assumptions ". My point was clear. There is always some politician trying to find a way to get a fee or a tax for everything. License fee for this, license fee for that. Permit for this, permit for that, parking fee. Just another fee. There will be a off road electric bike fee. A scratch your ass fee, a belching permit etc. etc! Government Control of all our lives. Just another way to take money from the common citizen. Not all of us are sheep. How does charging a fee change anything? How are the going to enforce it?' They can't even keep motorcycles off the Wilderness trails.

 

[Mosby]

When new issues, laws, regulations etc., are presented I have come up with a simple method for determining which side of the argument I support. If Democrats are for it....I'm against it and if their against it...well then....I'm all for it. I have found that this saves me a lot of time trying to understand the facts.