AK Sheep, Population Observations

[cbeard64]

Let’s see:

Cap on NR tags even further but unlimited resident tags is A-OK (Where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, from every state/provincial resident who doesn’t hunt out of their state/province and thinks everyone else is a second-class citizen.)

If you are a NR, guided, or work hard enough to afford a plane/fuel to scout - congrats on your sheep but (really) you pretty much suck since you didn’t do it my way.

In a nutshell, the only real sheep hunters are AK residents, buy their tags OTC, hunt unguided, and 100% on foot.

Got it.

 

[as.ks.ak]

Out of curiosity, does anyone else in here submit proposals to BOG, attend meetings or sit on an advisory board?

There sure is lots of lip service in here.


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[cbeard64]

Well if that’s what you take from it more power to you. But you’re wrong (surprise) as I do hunt out of state and country.

And I don’t care if you go guided etc. my point was pretty clear. Guys jerk off to the big rams and shame the small rams killed? You don’t care the means as long as it’s big? Ok then that’s fine. I don’t care. As you shouldn’t care what I think. But you do

Real sheep hunters? Not sure what you’re on talking about but you’re wrong again. We don’t buy our tags

I apologize our views don’t line up. You like to see big rams and I like to hear the story of the ram. We are not of the same. And that’s ok.

It’s fine to reply to my post, but if you have to assume a bunch of other stuff I didn’t say but act as if I did to try to put me down and lift yourself up - that’s weak. (It’s called a “Strawman” argument BTW.)

Not to mention you also self-owned with the “we don’t buy our tags” bit. I assume you buy them when you hunt out of state and country. Right? Well then .

Again, got it.

 

[mdoolin]

I really think it's topics like these that are the reason anti hunters are winning. We would rather take someone else's opportunity away to make ours marginally better! Cutting NR opportunity won't help the sheep come back any faster. I would be willing to bet 19C with no NR hunting won't recover any faster than the rest of the state. It's my opinion that closing that unit down was a big mistake. The NR demand didn't go away so all it did was put more pressure on other areas.

 

[cbeard64]

Pretty sure you started the assuming part. And my reference for the tag cost was our alaska sheep tags.

Here’s a video for you to watch to see some big rams. You can skip the whole video(not missing much). A lot of cool ram pics at the end. Worth the 3 mins to watch. Be sure to use a Kleenex

I’m familiar with his videos. Successful financially, good family man, owns/flies his own plane, knows areas all over the state like the back of his hand, finds big rams, hunts them on foot, kills them, and packs them out. I can easily see why men who don’t have those things going for them and view others’ success as “sour grapes” would be envious.

 

[Bambistew]

I really think it's topics like these that are the reason anti hunters are winning. We would rather take someone else's opportunity away to make ours marginally better! Cutting NR opportunity won't help the sheep come back any faster. I would be willing to bet 19C with no NR hunting won't recover any faster than the rest of the state. It's my opinion that closing that unit down was a big mistake. The NR demand didn't go away so all it did was put more pressure on other areas.

The sub 50% success rate is having a pretty good effect on curbing NR hunting pressure. There was 50% fewer NR last year than there was 5 years ago. I can't imagine dropping $25-30k and having less than 50% chance to kill a sheep, vs going to Canada for a bit more and getting a better chance and better sheep. YMMV.

Its always funny to see NR complaining about NR losing out on unlimited opportunity. I hope the whole state goes to a quota for NR, its long past due. You're right it will have limited effect on sheep populations, but NR take nearly half the sheep state-wide and took nearly 80% of the sheep in 19C every year too. No other place in NA gives away animals to NRs like Alaska. You want the same opportunity, move here.

 

[as.ks.ak]

The sub 50% success rate is having a pretty good effect on curbing NR hunting pressure. There was 50% fewer NR last year than there was 5 years ago. I can't imagine dropping $25-30k and having less than 50% chance to kill a sheep, vs going to Canada for a bit more and getting a better chance and better sheep. YMMV.

Its always funny to see NR complaining about NR losing out on unlimited opportunity. I hope the whole state goes to a quota for NR, its long past due. You're right it will have limited effect on sheep populations, but NR take nearly half the sheep state-wide and took nearly 80% of the sheep in 19C every year too. No other place in NA gives away animals to NRs like Alaska. You want the same opportunity, move here.

I’d like to see all registered guides required to be Alaskan residents as well. Add that to the list. Pimp the state’s resources? Keep your spending money here, pilgrim.


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[mdoolin]

I’d like to see all registered guides required to be Alaskan residents as well. Add that to the list. Pimp the state’s resources? Keep your spending money here, pilgrim.


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Would you recommend the same rules for the other industries in the state? Commercial fishing, guided fishing, Mining, Oil & Gas? I work up on the slope now and was really surprised to find out how many live out of state.

Not saying it's a bad idea I'm just curious.

 

[cbeard64]

Yeah, let’s just forget all this “America” BS. Everyone must live, work and spend all their $$ in their own state. 100%. Heck, let’s begin building the walls.

Cause, of course, no Alaskan ever went to the lower 48 to live, work, or go to school.

 

[VernAK]

Yes

Yes!

22 years on AC!
two decades on 40MCH Coalition
Attend BOG meetings when nearby.

 

[Alder_]

Just make the NR allocation the same as any other state.

@cbeard64 fair is fair, right? Get on that 10% train.

Take notes from any state that still offers NR general elk hunting. It sucks.

 

[VernAK]

I don't see Alaska limiting NRs as their licensing fees are/were around 80% of revenue. This becomes a big deal as it qualifies for 3 to 1 matching funds from Pittman Robertson.

The factor that will limit NRs is the diminishing quantity of game animals [sheep & caribou] and the dwindling salmon returns. Many NRs now realize there are guides selling hunts for wildlife they have very little chance of finding.

 

[cbeard64]

I’ll just leave this here.

 

[mtwarden]

I’m sure the outfitter industry would be on board with a large nonresident license cut.

 

[VernAK]

I’ll just leave this here.

The Federal Government owns 60+% of Alaska so yes they plow lotsa $$$$ into Alaska.

 

[cbeard64]

The Federal Government owns 60+% of Alaska so yes they plow lotsa $$$$ into Alaska.

Yep just like most all western states too. Which makes the treatment of nonresidents like red-headed stepchildren when it comes to hunting there all the more galling.

 

[cbeard64]

A Texas hunter that only books canned hunts and private land.

Shocked.

You, sir, reveal both your character and your ignorance with every post.

 

[Snyd]

I’d like to see all registered guides required to be Alaskan residents as well. Add that to the list. Pimp the state’s resources? Keep your spending money here, pilgrim.


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Not gonna happen. Interstate Commerce Law. AK could require that the Guide accompany the client in the field not an Assistant. Leave the assistant at camp cooking or accompanying the Guide and hunter as a packer. But that won’t happen. The state will continue to sell an unlimited number of NR tags which will continue to drive the “One Guide Multiple Assistant Guide” industry.

 

[cumminsbassguy]

I’ll just leave this here.

The Federal Government owns 60+% of Alaska so yes they plow lotsa $$$$ into Alaska.

I mean if we break it down a little bit, and really look at those numbers... Connecticut (3.6M population) is getting 24 Billion $$ ... meanwhile Alaska who is 118 times bigger than Connecticut with three times less the population (733k) is getting $6B in federal aid. Based off of the numbers provided.. so not really alot when bumping number against just one of the smallest states in the US.

 

[Alder_]

@cbeard64 Feds are the most anti NR hunter organization of anyone up here under the guise of subsistence.

That's what you should be upset about.