.25 Cal (Quarter Bore) / Big Game Success - 25 Creed, 25-284, 25-06, 25 PRC, 25 SAUM

[WKR]

The enemy of good is better. You can piss away a lot of money chasing a few FPS or a better BC that in reality you may never see the advantage of.

True but...
The enemy of elk is a 134 grain match bullet going 3100-3200 fps

 

[B23]

The enemy of good is better. You can piss away a lot of money chasing a few FPS or a better BC that in reality you may never see the advantage of.

I have to tell my self this repeatedly to keep from wasting components lol.

Sooo is this no more pissing away money thing one of those ten step programs like AA where y'all have meetings and stuff to help each other out or does a guy just have to go cold turkey? Damn, just the thought of giving up pissing money away "chasing it" is giving me cold sweats.

 

[sierracharlie338]

Sooo is this no more pissing away money thing one of those ten step programs like AA where y'all have meetings and stuff to help each other out or does a guy just have to go cold turkey? Damn, just the thought of giving up pissing money away "chasing it" is giving me cold sweats.

It’s worse… there’s no help and only strangers on the internet telling you I told you so

 

[Trial153]

I have M77 Mark2 ultra light in 257 Bob i think i should sell

 

[sierracharlie338]

I have M77 Mark2 ultra light in 257 Bob i think i should sell

Why?

 

[simplepeddler]

Good Ole Core-lokt at 120 yards 25-06

 

[FLS]

True but...
The enemy of elk is a 134 grain match bullet going 3100-3200 fps

True but...
The enemy of elk is a 134 grain match bullet going 3100-3200 fps

A 110 TGK at 3050 puts the whammy on them pretty good as well. I’ve got a big ole pile of “better” cluttering up my reloading bench, only to end up damn near back where I started.

 

[rclouse79]

I am getting the itch to replace my 270 tikka barrel with an x caliber 25-06 barrel. The bullets I am thinking of trying are 115 gr vld, 110 gr eld x and 110 tgk. I saw a 10 twist will stabilize these bullets but the Berger spin calculator said that would be marginal for the 115. I was thinking about doing a 9 twist. Any thoughts from those experienced with a 25-06?

 

[FLS]

I shoot a 10 twist at sea level and have no trouble stabilizing the Berger’s. I’ve killed a bunch of game with that bullet out of my 25-06. I’ve also killed a good bit with the other two as well. The TGK is the toughest of the three.Lots of tissue damage and usually and exit of deer sized game. Keep your impact velocity about 2000 FPS and they kill anything you point them at.

 

[B23]

I am getting the itch to replace my 270 tikka barrel with an x caliber 25-06 barrel. The bullets I am thinking of trying are 115 gr vld, 110 gr eld x and 110 tgk. I saw a 10 twist will stabilize these bullets but the Berger spin calculator said that would be marginal for the 115. I was thinking about doing a 9 twist. Any thoughts from those experienced with a 25-06?

As the rebirth of 25 cals grows in popularity, largely because of the new high BC mid 130 grainers, why not put at least an 8tw on it. You may have no interest in shooting those heavier bullets now but with an 8 twist you'd at least have the option to if you ever changed your mind versus with spinning on a slower twist barrel you'd never have at least the option too.

A 25-06 has a pretty decent size case about the same case capacity as the 6.5 PRC. The 133/135 Berger's or 134 ELD-M would be a great match for the horsepower of the 25-06.

 

[rclouse79]

As the rebirth of 25 cals grows in popularity, largely because of the new high BC mid 130 grainers, why not put at least an 8tw on it. You may have no interest in shooting those heavier bullets now but with an 8 twist you'd at least have the option to if you ever changed your mind versus with spinning on a slower twist barrel you'd never have at least the option too.

A 25-06 has a pretty decent size case about the same case capacity as the 6.5 PRC. The 133/135 Berger's or 134 ELD-M would be a great match for the horsepower of the 25-06.

Do you think an 8 would be middle of the road? Would it work for everything but be ideal for nothing? I thought about the 130 grain stuff, but I am currently shooting 130 grain ttsx out of my 270 and it feels like switching to something similar. I know they would have higher weight for caliber and better b.c.

 

[sierracharlie338]

I am getting the itch to replace my 270 tikka barrel with an x caliber 25-06 barrel. The bullets I am thinking of trying are 115 gr vld, 110 gr eld x and 110 tgk. I saw a 10 twist will stabilize these bullets but the Berger spin calculator said that would be marginal for the 115. I was thinking about doing a 9 twist. Any thoughts from those experienced with a 25-06?

I would definitely go 7.5 twist and shoot 115-134g bullets. The Berger 133 elite hunters are absolutely wrecking animals and the 134 eldms kill like an eldm based on early reports. If you wanted more speed the 115s have a proven track record in the venerable 25-06 so can’t go wrong there either.

 

[Bluefish]

The 1:8 may work for higher elevations, but will be marginal. A 1:7.5 or 1:7 is safer, but won’t handle the low end cup/core as well. You may get rpm disintegration.

I built a 1:7.5 and it shoots 80g ttsx well at about 3500 fps. It should also do the 134’s just fine.

 

[rclouse79]

The 1:8 may work for higher elevations, but will be marginal. A 1:7.5 or 1:7 is safer, but won’t handle the low end cup/core as well. You may get rpm disintegration.

I built a 1:7.5 and it shoots 80g ttsx well at about 3500 fps. It should also do the 134’s just fine.

I am obviously no expert on rifle twist. It seems to me a 1 in 10 would work for the mid range bullets, but it doesn’t seem like there is a big drawback to a slightly higher twist. As I get older I try to do more research and get more opinions before pulling the trigger. Buyers remorse is the worst.

 

[sierracharlie338]

I am obviously no expert on rifle twist. It seems to me a 1 in 10 would work for the mid range bullets, but it doesn’t seem like there is a big drawback to a slightly higher twist. As I get older I try to do more research and get more opinions before pulling the trigger. Buyers remorse is the worst.

He’s just saying if you plan to shoot lead core light weight like less than 80g bullets it might be too much of a twist but shooting that light of a bullet in something that can shoot the heavies isn’t common or really worth it imo unless you are stuck shooting mono bullets then speed is your friend.

 

[B23]

Per Berger the 8tw will fully stabilize their 133 and 135.

Depending on barrel length I don't think it would be to difficult to get 3000fps with the 130's from a 25-06 and running that through Berger's stability calculator an 8tw is good to go.

 

[Bluefish]

I am obviously no expert on rifle twist. It seems to me a 1 in 10 would work for the mid range bullets, but it doesn’t seem like there is a big drawback to a slightly higher twist. As I get older I try to do more research and get more opinions before pulling the trigger. Buyers remorse is the worst.

Take the 75g vmax. Its max rpm is considered to be about 290k rpm. With a 1:7 you hit that at about 2900 FPS. A 25-06 will push a 75g to 3700+ which will blow up that 75g due to being 380k rpm. While a 1:10 barrel only spins the same bullet at 280k rpm even at 3700 fps.

 

[jjohnsonElknewbie]

Per Berger the 8tw will fully stabilize their 133 and 135.

Depending on barrel length I don't think it would be to difficult to get 3000fps with the 130's from a 25-06 and running that through Berger's stability calculator an 8tw is good to go.

A couple things to consider when barreling a 25-06 in a Tikka with the intention of shooting the 130s.

- You need to make sure the throat is long enough to seat the 130s without losing case capacity
- Appropriate OAL for the 130s may require you to run aftermarket DBM and mag to avoid jamming in the action. I’d look into the Unknown Munitions DBM, XL bolt stop, and mag

The Tikka OAL limitation is one of the reasons lots of us run the 25-284 and other short action cases for the .25s.

To get 3000 MV with the 130s out of a 25-06, or 25-06AI, I’m pretty sure a guy needs to run a 26” barrel. I posted Berger load data for the 25-06AI a long time ago in this thread and will re-attach when I’m in front of my computer again.

 

[B23]

To get 3000 MV with the 130s out of a 25-06, or 25-06AI, I’m pretty sure a guy needs to run a 26” barrel. I posted Berger load data for the 25-06AI a long time ago in this thread and will re-attach when I’m in front of my computer again.

Playing with a 25-06 and 133 Berger's and 134 ELD-M's in QL using a 22in barrel there were four or five available powders that projected 2950-2970's. Same powders and charge weights with a 24in pipe were 3000 to 3020. Since it's nearly impossible to get I didn't use any of the projected velocities with RL26. Also, everything I ran through QL was below max chamber PSI

 

[jjohnsonElknewbie]

Playing with a 25-06 and 133 Berger's and 134 ELD-M's in QL using a 22in barrel there were four or five available powders that projected 2950-2970's. Same powders and charge weights with a 24in pipe were 3000 to 3020. Since it's nearly impossible to get I didn't use any of the projected velocities with RL26. Also, everything I ran through QL was below max chamber PSI

Here is the 25-06AI load data provided by Berger for the 133/135 bullets. The barrel was 26” and the AI has more capacity than the standard 25-06.