25 creed vs the others

[schmidty3]

I think his point was that by starting the 147 at the top of the velocity window for reliable terminal performance, as opposed to above that window, there isn’t a worry of being too fast for desired performance at close range.


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i have a feeling that the bullet will do just fine at 2800 fps. theres a lot of guys slinging them with magnums at 3200fps +. (i am about to be doing the same with my 25 prc and 133 bergers). I predict lots of meat jello in that guns future.

 

[wyosam]

i have a feeling that the bullet will do just fine at 2800 fps. theres a lot of guys slinging them with magnums at 3200fps +. (i am about to be doing the same with my 25 prc and 133 bergers). I predict lots of meat jello in that guns future.

No idea, just seemed to be the point he was making. I’m sure the’ll kill fine at those faster impacts, but might be messier than many want.


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[Jordan Smith]

I think his point was that by starting the 147 at the top of the velocity window for reliable terminal performance, as opposed to above that window, there isn’t a worry of being too fast for desired performance at close range.


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Yup. He missed the "non-point."

 

[Jordan Smith]

You realize that you effectively made a non-point in this debate? And You've unwittingly reinforced my point.

They both have eldms. The velocity expansion windows are the same.

I could take your exact paragraph, sub in 134 eldm, and the point would still be intact.

My current 147 load is 2675 fps. A 25 creed would comfortably send a mildly loaded 134 to 2850.

In this arbitrary condition in hot muggy houston...the 147 drops below 1800 at around 675 yards. The 25 keeps it past 800. Say ~125 yards more expansion range. That's not nothing. AND it gets to 800 with 1 mil less drop! That's not nothing either!

I think the creed case yearns for 130-140 gr bullets. Anything more is PRC food.

Yeah, you simply missed the point. But that's okay. I've watched moose die at point-blank range with an ELD bullet started at 2950 fps. It worked. C&C bullets, including ELD-Ms, can get messy at those impact speeds (2800+ fps), which I'm personally not a fan of. I get that some people like a grenade to go off, but others (including me) prefer predictable moderate expansion. Starting an ELD-M at 2700 fps essentially ensures that type of terminal behaviour.

BTW, for an apples-to-apples comparison, let's use the speeds published by Hornady in their factory ammo, 2800 fps for the 134 ELD-M and 2695 fps for the 147. In my arbitrary atmospheric conditions, the 147 dips below 1800 fps at 765 m, and the 135 falls below at 785 m. At 765 m and in a 10 mph FV wind, the 134 drops 5.6 mrad and drifts 1.1 mrad (34"), and the 147 drops 6.0 mrad and drifts 1.1 mrad (32.3"). Not so different.