.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[Savage99]

Was there a wallup factor on the coyote though?

It had ALL the wallop..


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[mt terry d]

It had ALL the wallop..


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Enough wallop I actually missed him by three feet and still killed him.

 

[Dave Thomas]

I did the math
2005 Dodge Cummins
Curb Weight, 6,202 lbs. or about 43,414,000 grains
traveling at 35mph or about 51.333333 fps

about 253,936.85 ft/lbs of energy

Now that's some knock down power

 

[Stocky]

People have asked if you would take a 223 on an expensive hunt. For me flying NZ to Alaska to chase Caribou is as expensive as ill probably ever do. I chose to bring the 223 as solo I wanted to spot shots 100% and i couldn't bring a suppressor in on the temp import permit. That and turns out most of my rifles when I actually measure them are 15.75" so a no go for the states.

Shot with a 73 Eld over Staball Match from a dirt cheap 16" 9 twist Howa Mini. Ended up shooting from the shoulder at 110m due to the way the terrain laid out with a gradual ridge. Followed up at the same range when it turned on the spot. First shot exited as can see second I recovered the base under the offside skins. Bull died within 20 yards. MV was 2745 so impact can't be too much lower.

 

[Dsherrer711]

Wow

 

[sierracharlie338]

People have asked if you would take a 223 on an expensive hunt. For me flying NZ to Alaska to chase Caribou is as expensive as ill probably ever do. I chose to bring the 223 as solo I wanted to spot shots 100% and i couldn't bring a suppressor in on the temp import permit. That and turns out most of my rifles when I actually measure them are 15.75" so a no go for the states.

Shot with a 73 Eld over Staball Match from a dirt cheap 16" 9 twist Howa Mini. Ended up shooting from the shoulder at 110m due to the way the terrain laid out with a gradual ridge. Followed up at the same range when it turned on the spot. First shot exited as can see second I recovered the base under the offside skins. Bull died within 20 yards. MV was 2745 so impact can't be too much lower.

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That’s freaking awesome man! Congrats on a trophy and hunt of a lifetime. Bucket list hunt for me!

 

[woods89]

People have asked if you would take a 223 on an expensive hunt. For me flying NZ to Alaska to chase Caribou is as expensive as ill probably ever do. I chose to bring the 223 as solo I wanted to spot shots 100% and i couldn't bring a suppressor in on the temp import permit. That and turns out most of my rifles when I actually measure them are 15.75" so a no go for the states.

Shot with a 73 Eld over Staball Match from a dirt cheap 16" 9 twist Howa Mini. Ended up shooting from the shoulder at 110m due to the way the terrain laid out with a gradual ridge. Followed up at the same range when it turned on the spot. First shot exited as can see second I recovered the base under the offside skins. Bull died within 20 yards. MV was 2745 so impact can't be too much lower.

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Well done, sir!

 

[lyle_destroys]

Well I got tired of looking around for a southpaw tikka 223 so I went with something a little different. Threw the leupy with the only shitty rings I could find in the tote, a quick zero then pounded some rocks on the hillside with 62gr fmj’s. I hear that savage 9tw is more like 8 3/4s so I’m going to try some factory black hills 77tmk and hornady 73gr eldm. If one of them shoot well there’s a damn good chance I’m taking this instead of the tikka 270 to chase elk in November.

 

[Tahr]

People have asked if you would take a 223 on an expensive hunt. For me flying NZ to Alaska to chase Caribou is as expensive as ill probably ever do. I chose to bring the 223 as solo I wanted to spot shots 100% and i couldn't bring a suppressor in on the temp import permit. That and turns out most of my rifles when I actually measure them are 15.75" so a no go for the states.

Shot with a 73 Eld over Staball Match from a dirt cheap 16" 9 twist Howa Mini. Ended up shooting from the shoulder at 110m due to the way the terrain laid out with a gradual ridge. Followed up at the same range when it turned on the spot. First shot exited as can see second I recovered the base under the offside skins. Bull died within 20 yards. MV was 2745 so impact can't be too much lower.

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Great effort Kiwi. Report this on the home forum.

 

[Te Hopo]

People have asked if you would take a 223 on an expensive hunt. For me flying NZ to Alaska to chase Caribou is as expensive as ill probably ever do. I chose to bring the 223 as solo I wanted to spot shots 100% and i couldn't bring a suppressor in on the temp import permit. That and turns out most of my rifles when I actually measure them are 15.75" so a no go for the states.

Shot with a 73 Eld over Staball Match from a dirt cheap 16" 9 twist Howa Mini. Ended up shooting from the shoulder at 110m due to the way the terrain laid out with a gradual ridge. Followed up at the same range when it turned on the spot. First shot exited as can see second I recovered the base under the offside skins. Bull died within 20 yards. MV was 2745 so impact can't be too much lower.

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Heck yeah mate, awesome effort

 

[Harvey_NW]

That and turns out most of my rifles when I actually measure them are 15.75" so a no go for the states.

I'm assuming you know but in case not, according to the barrel manufacturer I last ordered from he said the Gov spec for measurement includes tendon threads when we were discussing what length my blank needed to be to finish how I wanted.

Great bull, sounds like an awesome time!

 

[Stocky]

I'm assuming you know but in case not, according to the barrel manufacturer I last ordered from he said the Gov spec for measurement includes tendon threads when we were discussing what length my blank needed to be to finish how I wanted.

Great bull, sounds like an awesome time

I did not know that I measured with a measuring rod from muzzle to bolt face this barrel measures a smidge over 16.25" that way to be safe. I didn't want to play games. In the howa this is very very close to the total barrel length with tenon.

 

[FredH]

Has your experience with the 75 BTHP been positive?

My experience with the Hornady 75 gr. BTHP on deer and feral hogs has been spotty at best. They tend to tumble and veer off course without breaking up a lot. I absolutely recommend the Fusion or the 73 gr. ELDM by far over the 75 gr, BTHP.

 

[Camv]

For those in BC that know that finding 8208xbr can be tough, nechako outdoors has 5 1# cans left
(Vanderhoof, bc. $20 shipping)

I bought 4 and some other things because my wife squawks over $500 lol

 

[hunterjmj]

I have been using the 73gr eldm for hunting but they are not super easy to find. The Hornady 75gr bthp match are cheaper and easier to find. I load them and use them for practise. I don’t have to change my zero and they group with the same dope out to 600 yards.

If you have a Scheels near by they seem to always have it on the shelf.

 

[Poe]

If you have a Scheels near by they seem to always have it on the shelf.

Don’t have any Scheels in Canada but thanks for the tip

 

[Chet707]

First deer I've shot with the .223

73 eldm over 23.5 gr varget. MV 2710, impact velocity 2250ish if the app is right. Approx 200 yds. dead in sight, shot her twice cause she was still standing. First shot was quartering to me, hit was probably a little far back, second shot quartering away to seal the deal. Didn't take any internal pics due to the heat and trying to get her cooled off ASAP. Massive internal bleeding, one lung was mush and the other was in bad shape, found a piece of jacket in the heart when prepping it for dinner lol. No exit on either shot.

Time on her feet after shot was similar to a couple mule deer I shot with a 6.5cm (one with a 143 eldx and one with a 140 eldm). Internal damage seemed very comparable as well.

More tags in the pocket so the sample size should go up

 

[BOLIO]

First time poster. I had been pondering a fast twist 22-250 for a few weeks. I was deciding between a 1in 9 Bergara and the 1in 8 twist Tikka. I’ve owned both brands in other calibers in the paste past and had favorable experiences with both. I decided on the Tikka and while searching for a 1 in 8 Tikka 22-250 this “crazy” thread titled 223 for bear deer elk and moose.

Before clicking on it, I am telling myself this can go one of two ways. One, it is an over exaggerated post complaining about people shooting game animals with 223 and other 22 caliber centerfire rifles. Or two, it is some guy out there theorizing how a 223 “could” possibly kill bigger animals. I immediately was sucked into the rabbit hole. (Full disclosure: I have killed a pickup full of deer here in Texas with a 1 in 14 22-250 and 55 grain SP bullets over the last three decades. I have killed a freight train full of hogs with a 223…so I have experience with the concept).

I have never considered the 1,000 ft pounds of energy business meaningful in any way. I have killed too many big hogs with 45-70 subsonics as well as 45 Colt rounds limping along at 900 fps to know that it is not required. Anyway, I spent most of my Labor Day weekend in this thread and I managed to kill one hog too with a new 25-06. Way over gunned but it was very successful. I made it to page 113 and decided to register.

My new Tikka should arrive in three days. I started this post in a Cabelas parking lot after picking up their last 3 boxes of 77 TMKs and 50 new pieces of 22-250 brass. I have a 1 in 7 twist 5.56 AR and 100 pieces of Starline brass that will also be coming out of retirement. I had moved over to a 6.8 SPC but I am happy to be moving back. I love the 6.8 but the brass flying in a field at night while laying down fire on a sounder of hogs gets to me. The brass is expensive vs the 223/5.56. Question, I am thinking about keeping the 77TMK around 3200 fps but if I find the accuracy is at a higher pace, say 3400, will that extra velocity put too much stress on the bullet and not get me to the vitals?

Anyway, here is to the greatest thread on the interwebs and I can’t wait to learn more.

 

[Formidilosus]

First time poster. I had been pondering a fast twist 22-250 for a few weeks. I was deciding between a 1in 9 Bergara and the 1in 8 twist Tikka. I’ve owned both brands in other calibers in the paste past and had favorable experiences with both. I decided on the Tikka and while searching for a 1 in 8 Tikka 22-250 this “crazy” thread titled 223 for bear deer elk and moose.

Before clicking on it, I am telling myself this can go one of two ways. One, it is an over exaggerated post complaining about people shooting game animals with 223 and other 22 caliber centerfire rifles. Or two, it is some guy out there theorizing how a 223 “could” possibly kill bigger animals. I immediately was sucked into the rabbit hole. (Full disclosure: I have killed a pickup full of deer here in Texas with a 1 in 14 22-250 and 55 grain SP bullets over the last three decades. I have killed a freight train full of hogs with a 223…so I have experience with the concept).

I have never considered the 1,000 ft pounds of energy business meaningful in any way. I have killed too many big hogs with 45-70 subsonics as well as 45 Colt rounds limping along at 900 fps to know that it is not required. Anyway, I spent most of my Labor Day weekend in this thread and I managed to kill one hog too with a new 25-06. Way over gunned but it was very successful. I made it to page 113 and decided to register.

My new Tikka should arrive in three days. I started this post in a Cabelas parking lot after picking up their last 3 boxes of 77 TMKs and 50 new pieces of 22-250 brass. I have a 1 in 7 twist 5.56 AR and 100 pieces of Starline brass that will also be coming out of retirement. I had moved over to a 6.8 SPC but I am happy to be moving back. I love the 6.8 but the brass flying in a field at night while laying down fire on a sounder of hogs gets to me. The brass is expensive vs the 223/5.56.

Good deal.

Question, I am thinking about keeping the 77TMK around 3200 fps but if I find the accuracy is at a higher pace, say 3400, will that extra velocity put too much stress on the bullet and not get me to the vitals?

Nope. They are very destructive at high impact velocities.