.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[Thegman]

OR is there a .223 bullet out there specifically designed to expand at subsonic velocities?

Maker Bullets does make subsonic expanding .224 bullets. I've never used them, and this isn't a recommendation for them, but just letting you know that they exist.

 

[wind gypsy]

I've considered a cheap CVA or ruger 300bo for shooting subs in my yard which borders a neighborhood and city limits.

 

[Ajsomp]

I've considered a cheap CVA or ruger 300bo for shooting subs in my yard which borders a neighborhood and city limits.

Ruger 16” in 300bo with a suppressor is stupid quiet. I sold mine, mostly because I didn’t have a need to shoot subsonic ammo, but they are cheap and easy and typically pretty accurate. Action is eh and they feed from AR mags so feeding can be rough sometimes

 

[BOLIO]

I’ve killed many, many hogs at 75 yards or less over corn with subsonics. 45-70, 45 Colt, 308, 30-06 and 300 blackout. My lever guns in 45-70 and 45 colt are very effective in this space but I like the idea of a 450 Bushmaster in a bolt. Dead Air Primal covers them all.

 

[Deere_Man]

I’m thinking 22LR subsonic at 50 yards and under, to the head, is probably gonna kill a deer.

 

[nm.otter]

I’m thinking 22LR subsonic at 50 yards and under, to the head, is probably gonna kill a deer.

I'd be a lot more confident I had a barrel that could sling 60gr Aguila Snipers.

 

[Stocky]

I’m thinking 22LR subsonic at 50 yards and under, to the head, is probably gonna kill a deer.

These are small fallow probably similar in size to a coues deer.

Ive killed a decent number of pigs with subsonic 22lr. Not my first choice but behind the shoulder and following up kills adequately but im not stressed if they were to get away. I have shot a few deer with subsonic 308 and lead projectiles. Expansion was good but I won't do it anymore as its just slow and ineffective not worth the trailboss. In a 223 id just not bother.

 

[BOLIO]

I put my Arken EPL 6-24-50 on top of the Mountain tactical rail. It is a 1 in 8 22-250. I have several different loads worked up with H4350. Hopefully I will find what it likes to eat soon.

 

[Fireflyfishing]

Are you folks shooting 75 ELDMs able to run them in an 8 twist barrel?

 

[Schmo]

Are you folks shooting 75 ELDMs able to run them in an 8 twist barrel?

Yes sir

 

[NWBLKTAIL]

Are you folks shooting 75 ELDMs able to run them in an 8 twist barrel?

Yeah they shoot fantastic with varget in mine.

 

[Schmo]

Yeah they shoot fantastic with varget in mine.

Varget stinks for velocity tho. Tac, N150, and N540 are the tickets.

 

[NWBLKTAIL]

Varget stinks for velocity tho. Tac, N150, and N540 are the tickets.

I mean I dont disagree, I’m 2880 avg with a 22” factory barrel. 75eldms 25gr Varget.

I’ve only tried TAC with 73eldm-77tmk. 24.5gr was top load like 2920ish IIRC. But mostly ran 24gr. About 2880fps

Edit: have yet to mess around with any VV powders, but people post some really good results along a wide array of their powders so at some point I’ll give some a shot in different cartridges including 223

 

[rabbithuntr]

Are you folks shooting 75 ELDMs able to run them in an 8 twist barrel?

Yes with staball match and 6.5

 

[Kaleb]

Nothing wrong with lever either. I’ve read about temp and all but haven’t noticed anything out of the ordinary in the last 10+ years. 26.0-26.3 grains for regular 223 typically gets 3,000-3,100 before cut/thread. 16-18” barrels are around 2,850-2,900. I’m still shooting through a stash of old 75amax not eldm.

88’s run right at 2,600 with lever in my 1-7 Kimber. On paper I hate not really much of an advantage for my use but need to kill more with the 88’s to see if that is the advantage. Hard to ignore the gentleman up north killing moose elk bear and unicorns with the 88’s in 223AI. I’m just shooting deer though.

 

[KHntr]

88’s run right at 2,600 with lever in my 1-7 Kimber. On paper I hate not really much of an advantage for my use but need to kill more with the 88’s to see if that is the advantage. Hard to ignore the gentleman up north killing moose elk bear and unicorns with the 88’s in 223AI. I’m just shooting deer though.

I sure hope I run across a unicorn when I have that 223AI handy…

Using 25.5 gr of Lever my 1:7 223AI Montana settled in at 2740fps with 88’s and Starline 1F brass.

Not sure if this will be a 223AI fall again, as I find myself carrying the Montana 22 Creed 1:7 with 88’s so far. Although I was kicking myself for a few minutes yesterday morning when I crawled out of the tent in the magic moose patch and had a little bull feeding around from 147 through 411 yards and I didn’t have the 223AI.

Worked out though as he had one too many tines to make him legal in my limited draw zone. Now I’ll have to wait till October 25 and hope he broke one off and see if I can’t get him during the two day season. THEN I’ll carry the 223AI, it seems to be luckier.

 

[Pharmseller]

Are you folks shooting 75 ELDMs able to run them in an 8 twist barrel?

Tikka Varmint, 1-8”, 2925 fps 75 ELDM with Benchmark.

 

[Fireflyfishing]

Tikka Varmint, 1-8”, 2925 fps 75 ELDM with Benchmark.

What length barrel?

 

[Kaleb]

I sure hope I run across a unicorn when I have that 223AI handy…

Using 25.5 gr of Lever my 1:7 223AI Montana settled in at 2740fps with 88’s and Starline 1F brass.

Not sure if this will be a 223AI fall again, as I find myself carrying the Montana 22 Creed 1:7 with 88’s so far. Although I was kicking myself for a few minutes yesterday morning when I crawled out of the tent in the magic moose patch and had a little bull feeding around from 147 through 411 yards and I didn’t have the 223AI.

Worked out though as he had one too many tines to make him legal in my limited draw zone. Now I’ll have to wait till October 25 and hope he broke one off and see if I can’t get him during the two day season. THEN I’ll carry the 223AI, it seems to be luckier.

I have another Montana and will probably go 223AI with it. I’m at 24.5gr in starline brass with 223 regular. If nothing else it will help keep brass separate since I feed my 223AI R/P brass.

I need to get off my butt and get a package headed to Karl. I have a new 1-7 Lilja to go on my shot out 22-250AI. Going 22creed this time around.

 

[BradArnett]

My 8yo killed his 2nd buck during this past weekend youth hunt. Couldn't be more happy for him. 16" tikka 223, swfa 6x w77tmk. Shot was just behind the shoulder. Onside lung shredded, offside pretty tore up, no exits. Deer ran straight line 35-40yds and piled up. Couldn't ask for anything more than that.