.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[Hoosker Doo]

No problem at all. Adequate penetration. With frontal shots an understanding of the animals anatomy is as important as the bullet selected. A low chest shot with the bullet striking above the heart and not high enough to destroy the lungs can result in a runner.

Here: I shot this with a 77TMK front on

I bought the upgraded version of that scope thanks to you and these videos you keep posting. The DNT Thermnight that also throws in thermal as well. So, thank you haha.

 

[4090Sharps]

I’d love to see how he measured .0002”!

Presumably melt or dissolve the lead and measure the wall thickness with a ball micrometer that measures to .0001”. It would be pretty simple.

 

[Taudisio]

Presumably melt or dissolve the lead and measure the wall thickness with a ball micrometer that measures to .0001”. It would be pretty simple.

I’m doubtful.

If he did, I’d be curious if he took a sample of 10 for the exact same bullet/lot number and he couldn’t find the same, 1/15th of a hair, difference between them.

 

[The Guide]

I’m doubtful.

If he did, I’d be curious if he took a sample of 10 for the exact same bullet/lot number and he couldn’t find the same, 1/15th of a hair, difference between them.

I doubt that bullet diameter is verified within 0.0002 let alone the cup thickness.

Jay

 

[Big_wals]

I’m doubtful.

If he did, I’d be curious if he took a sample of 10 for the exact same bullet/lot number and he couldn’t find the same, 1/15th of a hair, difference between them.

Nope, pretty sure he only measured one of each. With an “optical Comparator”.

 

[Taudisio]

Nope, pretty sure he only measured one of each. With an “optical Comparator”.

I doubt that bullet diameter is verified within 0.0002 let alone the cup thickness.

Jay

I think we all agree they are the same construction as the v-max, just heavier/longer with a boat tail is where we are going with this.

Which is a great thing, making it a “heavy for caliber, expanding, tipped bullet” according to the results here and @Formidilosus recommendations. Bonus is the price of them for more practice per $ for the non-reloader.

 

[Pharmseller]

One more data point, a young Mule deer forky yesterday. 75 gr ELDM at 2915 mv.

No necropsy as I shot him close to dusk and I was flying solo. Not a lot of time to gut, drag, get to camp, hang/skin/etc. before full dark.

I was set up for 500 yards but of course he showed up at 80 yards, far to the right of my position picture. He saw me move and I rushed the shot a bit, hitting high. Took out the spine so he dropped on the spot but both lungs were shredded also. I might find bullet fragments when I butcher.

Overwatch





As he lay.





Prior to gutting





Interesting palmation of his horns.






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[4090Sharps]

Nope, pretty sure he only measured one of each. With an “optical Comparator”.

I was thinking like a poor without access to the good stuff!

 

[Poe]

In general, so far. 10’ish inches of penetration if it hits major bone at high impact velocities.

Just curious how many inches of penetration you typically see with the 73eldm. I know you had previously stated it didn’t go as deep as the TMK but just curious how much less. Hopefully in a month or so I can test them on something bigger than coyotes

 

[The Guide]

Just curious how many inches of penetration you typically see with the 73eldm. I know you had previously stated it didn’t go as deep as the TMK but just curious how much less. Hopefully in a month or so I can test them on something bigger than coyotes

I wouldn't think much less but less. I had one deer that was a complete pass through (no bone on entrance and centered a rib on exit @ close to 250 yards and another that hit the ball of the shoulder joint and still made it into the body and through the heart. These are the only 2 we have taken with the 73gr ELDM.

Jay

 

[bearcreekbandit]

Tyler Freel shot his moose this year with a 22 ARC and 88 ELDm. He's doing good work bringing some of these ideas that run contrary to conventional wisdom to the masses with outdoor life.

I will have a talk through video on this on OL’s YouTube and it’s gonna be a good point of reference to come. My 20” gas gun was giving 2695fps with the factory Hornady 88s and I shot the moose 3 times (which was a mistake, I only should have shot once, but hey).
First shot hit middle of a rib, tore off portion of near lung lobe and punched baseball-sized hole through middle of lungs, ending up in offside lung.
Second shot was running follow-up, hit in rear of hind quarter. After about an inch, put a racquetball sized wound channel about 10” to the femur and shattered it.
Third shot must have hit a twig and tumbled, impacted a couple inches from first shot, tore off lower near lobe of the lung, exited offside lung about size of a golf ball, and recovered bullet in off shoulder against scapula. Bullet did not expand, but appears to have keyholed into the moose. Still pretty impressive and would have exited a deer.
Three shots were fired in about 5.5 seconds and moose went down 40 seconds and 20ish yards after first shot.