.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[Der Schwabe]

That's perfect. I already have the 105 VLD, but after seeing the results from the 108 ELD-M posted earlier in the thread, I'm tempted to try them. Thank you.

 

[Trapline]

The military chose that round for its ability to injure more than kill. Killing an enemy solder removes 1 from the field, maiming 1 solder take 2 solders off the field (1 injured and 1 to care for them).

 

[grfox92]

The military chose that round for its ability to injure more than kill. Killing an enemy solder removes 1 from the field, maiming 1 solder take 2 solders off the field (1 injured and 1 to care for them).

What message are you trying to convey with this post?

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[Drenalin]

The military chose that round for its ability to injure more than kill. Killing an enemy solder removes 1 from the field, maiming 1 solder take 2 solders off the field (1 injured and 1 to care for them).

If there's any truth to this, they failed miserably based on the overwhelming evidence in this thread.

 

[BjornF16]

The military chose that round for its ability to injure more than kill. Killing an enemy solder removes 1 from the field, maiming 1 solder take 2 solders off the field (1 injured and 1 to care for them).

Absolutely false...

 

[Steve300xcw]

I have heard that line a bunch.. It usually came with the line about how a .223 bullet was designed to tumble LOL

 

[Trapline]

Absolutely false...

For some, you going to let your battle buddy bleed out?

 

[BjornF16]

For some, you going to let your battle buddy bleed out?

Your assertion that the military "chose that round for its ability to injure more than kill" is absolutely false. That would be a violation of LOAC.

 

[Gorp2007]

Your assertion that the military "chose that round for its ability to injure more than kill" is absolutely false. That would be a violation of LOAC.

Not only is the assertion unsupported, but even if it could be proven, it would only apply to the M193 round. No one in this thread is advocating for the killing potential of a 55 gr FMJ.

 

[wind gypsy]

The military chose that round for its ability to injure more than kill. Killing an enemy solder removes 1 from the field, maiming 1 solder take 2 solders off the field (1 injured and 1 to care for them).

Buddy of mine sent me this clip recently. I immediately thought of this thread. DJ shipley probably has a good feel for reality on this.

 

[Formidilosus]

The military chose that round for its ability to injure more than kill. Killing an enemy solder removes 1 from the field, maiming 1 solder take 2 solders off the field (1 injured and 1 to care for them).

Completely and totally false. This is a nonsense myth that keeps getting repeated and has no basis in truth whatsoever.

 

[TxxAgg]

Dang, this thread just keeps delivering!

 

[atmat]

Completely and totally false. This is a nonsense myth that keeps getting repeated and has no basis in truth whatsoever.

187 pages of evidence and folks will still choose to believe an old wives tale that lacks evidence.

 

[Formidilosus]

187 pages of evidence and folks will still choose to believe an old wives tale that lacks evidence.

It’s not just that it lacks evidence- it’s completely false. 100% against US military doctrine, LOAC, and common sense. One of the metrics that the DOD used when selecting the 5.56 was something called “Stored Kills”. Meaning, in basic terms, the amount of “stored kills” in each magazine/combat load. With that metric the 5.56mm has more “stored kills” than 7.62x51mm.

 

[Der Schwabe]

Dang, this thread just keeps delivering!

I'm also really glad to see the moderators and contributors holding fast to the scientific method, and to facts!

 

[fwafwow]

Dang, this thread just keeps delivering!

 

[4090Sharps]

Buddy of mine sent me this clip recently. I immediately thought of this thread. DJ shipley probably has a good feel for reality on this.

That last line, followed by the shoulder shrug:

"My favorite round's a 5.56 70 grain, 77 grain. I love that, because, whatever you shoot with it dies after one round."

 

[TxLite]

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[wind gypsy]

Fyi

Sierra 7177 22 Cal 77gr HPBT TMK

Get the best deal on the Sierra Tipped Match King 7177 Bullets at GrabAGun.com. Get the best deals on Bullets for sale online at GrabAGun! Sierra for sale online. Flat rate shipping on all guns and ammo with the best prices around!

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Is someone gonna tell them the tmk isn’t a hpbt?

 

[Castle Rock]

Well it actually is, but it is wearing a plug