.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

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That's perfect. I already have the 105 VLD, but after seeing the results from the 108 ELD-M posted earlier in the thread, I'm tempted to try them. Thank you.
 

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The military chose that round for its ability to injure more than kill. Killing an enemy solder removes 1 from the field, maiming 1 solder take 2 solders off the field (1 injured and 1 to care for them).
What message are you trying to convey with this post?

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The military chose that round for its ability to injure more than kill. Killing an enemy solder removes 1 from the field, maiming 1 solder take 2 solders off the field (1 injured and 1 to care for them).
If there's any truth to this, they failed miserably based on the overwhelming evidence in this thread.
 

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The military chose that round for its ability to injure more than kill. Killing an enemy solder removes 1 from the field, maiming 1 solder take 2 solders off the field (1 injured and 1 to care for them).
Absolutely false...
 

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Your assertion that the military "chose that round for its ability to injure more than kill" is absolutely false. That would be a violation of LOAC.

Not only is the assertion unsupported, but even if it could be proven, it would only apply to the M193 round. No one in this thread is advocating for the killing potential of a 55 gr FMJ.
 
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The military chose that round for its ability to injure more than kill. Killing an enemy solder removes 1 from the field, maiming 1 solder take 2 solders off the field (1 injured and 1 to care for them).

Buddy of mine sent me this clip recently. I immediately thought of this thread. DJ shipley probably has a good feel for reality on this.

 

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The military chose that round for its ability to injure more than kill. Killing an enemy solder removes 1 from the field, maiming 1 solder take 2 solders off the field (1 injured and 1 to care for them).

Completely and totally false. This is a nonsense myth that keeps getting repeated and has no basis in truth whatsoever.
 

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187 pages of evidence and folks will still choose to believe an old wives tale that lacks evidence.

It’s not just that it lacks evidence- it’s completely false. 100% against US military doctrine, LOAC, and common sense. One of the metrics that the DOD used when selecting the 5.56 was something called “Stored Kills”. Meaning, in basic terms, the amount of “stored kills” in each magazine/combat load. With that metric the 5.56mm has more “stored kills” than 7.62x51mm.
 
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Buddy of mine sent me this clip recently. I immediately thought of this thread. DJ shipley probably has a good feel for reality on this.

That last line, followed by the shoulder shrug:

"My favorite round's a 5.56 70 grain, 77 grain. I love that, because, whatever you shoot with it dies after one round."
 

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Fyi



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