.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[Deywalker]

People shoot them with bows.
But what is the point, other than to say you did it? IMO I want to shoot the biggest I can shoot well. If you have health issues, and can only shoot a smaller gun, I get it.

Until recently the guns I accuired from youth didn't even have recoil pads. Add a recoil pad and bigger guns really shoot nice.

I do get the idea that it gives you a better chance to stay on target. I understand velocity is a key component to energy.

I don't disagree they will do it, But I have to think there are calibers below the really big ones, that would have more to offer.

I was listening to podcast about 22 creedmoor going over its energy at various points. One thing they didn't like about 223 was the bullets available.

As for the heart picture, you don't think that is anemic? A large calibler would have done more damage?
I get we are in an era of great bullet exansion, and not what it was 20 years ago.

This thread wasn't made to extol the virtues of bulk 55gr soft points. Have you read the whole thread?

 

[atmat]

People shoot them with bows.
But what is the point, other than to say you did it? IMO I want to shoot the biggest I can shoot well. If you have health issues, and can only shoot a smaller gun, I get it.

Until recently the guns I accuired from youth didn't even have recoil pads. Add a recoil pad and bigger guns really shoot nice.

I do get the idea that it gives you a better chance to stay on target. I understand velocity is a key component to energy.

I don't disagree they will do it, But I have to think there are calibers below the really big ones, that would have more to offer.

I was listening to podcast about 22 creedmoor going over its energy at various points. One thing they didn't like about 223 was the bullets available.

As for the heart picture, you don't think that is anemic? A large calibler would have done more damage?
I get we are in an era of great bullet exansion, and not what it was 20 years ago.

Did you honestly read all the posts? Or just jump to the end?

 

[ResearchinStuff]

At this point, denying the effectiveness of the 77 tmk out of a 223 is similar to being a flat earther or thinking birds aren't real. There is overwhelming evidence to those ambitious enough to simply read this thread.

 

[11Justin22]

This thread wasn't made to extol the virtues of bulk 55gr soft points. Have you read the whole thread?

Very obvious the answer to that is NO

 

[sickles107]

At this point, denying the effectiveness of the 77 tmk out of a 223 is similar to being a flat earther or thinking birds aren't real. There is overwhelming evidence to those ambitious enough to simply read this thread.

Hey! Keep birds out of this.

 

[mtnwrunner]

At this point, denying the effectiveness of the 77 tmk out of a 223 is similar to being a flat earther or thinking birds aren't real. There is overwhelming evidence to those ambitious enough to simply read this thread.

The earth is flat??
Damn.

Randy

 

[Pharmseller]

The earth is flat??
Damn.

Randy

Relax.

It used to be flat. Now it’s round.

But the roundness is temporary.




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[mt100gr.]

People shoot them with bows.
But what is the point, other than to say you did it? IMO I want to shoot the biggest I can shoot well. If you have health issues, and can only shoot a smaller gun, I get it.

Until recently the guns I accuired from youth didn't even have recoil pads. Add a recoil pad and bigger guns really shoot nice.

I do get the idea that it gives you a better chance to stay on target. I understand velocity is a key component to energy.

I don't disagree they will do it, But I have to think there are calibers below the really big ones, that would have more to offer.

I was listening to podcast about 22 creedmoor going over its energy at various points. One thing they didn't like about 223 was the bullets available.

As for the heart picture, you don't think that is anemic? A large calibler would have done more damage?
I get we are in an era of great bullet exansion, and not what it was 20 years ago.

Go back and read all of the posts from page 1 up to this post of yours. Seriously.

 

[Zerk]

At this point, denying the effectiveness of the 77 tmk out of a 223 is similar to being a flat earther or thinking birds aren't real. There is overwhelming evidence to those ambitious enough to simply read this thread.

Not denying,but why? I understand keeping eye on target for follow up shot. I understand less recoil makes a better shot.

But is there not a bigger caliber suited that meets this?

Hunting open country where recovery is easy, probably less of issue.

Is our goal that a 10 year old can shoot a bear?

I am not saying you can't. But asking why?

 

[ResearchinStuff]

I have not said other combo's, including larger calibers, are not effective - they are. and so is the 223 with the 77 tmk. you have repeatedly implied that the 223, and match bullets, are ineffective, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

And yeah, in some cases that's exactly what we're going for. my soon to be 7 year old will be pursuing deer with the 223 in just a few months. Finding a low-recoil, big game capable solution *DOUBLED* the number of years he'll get to hunt with me before he moves out on his own.

 

[Formidilosus]

I am not saying you can't. But asking why?

Read the thread you are posting on.

 

[Pharmseller]

I have not said other combo's, including larger calibers, are not effective - they are. and so is the 223 with the 77 tmk. you have repeatedly implied that the 223, and match bullets, are ineffective, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

And yeah, in some cases that's exactly what we're going for. my soon to be 7 year old will be pursuing deer with the 223 in just a few months. Finding a low-recoil, big game capable solution *DOUBLED* the number of years he'll get to hunt with me before he moves out on his own.

Excellent point.

My dad taught me to shoot the same way his dad taught him to shoot. As a result I have an intermittent flinch that I carry to this day.

I taught my boy a different way and he doesn’t have a flinch.



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[atmat]

I taught my boy a different way and he doesn’t have a flinch.

I can’t wait until my girls are old enough to shoot. They’ll learn on suppressed .22LRs and .223s. It’s a much better starting point than I had.

 

[Fatcamp]

To start with, I am a HUGE fan of 223/556, so naturally this thread appeals to me. Generally, I stick with an AR platform because that is what I know and I am familiar with it. With that being said, I recently picked up a Ruger American Ranch rifle in 556. For $600 it has been a stellar rifle so far. It shoots incredibly well, I am using Hornady Frontier 75gr HPBT 556 ammo. I went with a Nightforce NXS 2.5-10x32 with the LV Velocity reticle. Its a fantastic match. I put a Spartan javelin bipod up front and topped it off with my suppressor. So far I have shot paper and steel and a handful of prairie dogs in ranges from 35-380yds. No issues. I did take it apart and wipe it down, then put Loctite on all the bolts and torqued it back together. To my surprise it shot even better. I am not a huge fan of the plastic stock, particularly due to the tan color, but thats an easy fix. With a loaded ten round mag, scope and suppressor I am just under 10lbs.

Anyone else shoot one of these?

No, but we are exploring .223 options and this one caught our eye. Scheels has a used stainless American in .223 for $400 we are liking as well. 1:8.

 

[BLJ]

No, but we are exploring .223 options and this one caught our eye. Scheels has a used stainless American in .223 for $400 we are liking as well. 1:8.

I’d buy it.

 

[Pharmseller]

Yup. Dad got me a wood stock savage 300 winchester for my first hunting rifle....That is child abuse LOL!

Winchester model 70 30-06, no recoil pad, 180 grain green box Core-Lokts. Prone.




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[PNWGATOR]

Not denying,but why? I understand keeping eye on target for follow up shot. I understand less recoil makes a better shot.

But is there not a bigger caliber suited that meets this?

Hunting open country where recovery is easy, probably less of issue.

Is our goal that a 10 year old can shoot a bear?

I am not saying you can't. But asking why?

Why?

Because it’s the most efficient way.

Read my fist post. Read the thread. This entire journey has been purposeful. I’m not trying to prove anything. I simply listened to those who have MUCH more experience than me and literally listened.

I want to kill efficiently.

There is a lot to that statement. This thread is a step in that direction.

Can I handle more recoil and delivering a heavier bullet out of a larger cartridge? Of course. I do regularly. Lots of people can and do so effectively. That said, why would I?

Well, if I’m hunting BIG open country where my shots are expected to be a poke…yeah, I’ll take an 8mph bullet with impact velocity good to 1k+. That said, it’s not necessarily a 16lb platform delivering a 300gr bullet!

A lot of mental masturbation went into this journey before it began. It's been a damn fine journey and one that I’m going to continue.

 

[Tahr]

What knife is that?

Bark River Skinner

 

[Tahr]

I don't use the 77 Sierra Tipped exclusively from my .223 but when I do I'm
always impressed.
This is the exit on a recent deer. 150 odd yards. Its the biggest exit Ive witnessed from them.

 

[khuber84]

Does anyone have experience running these at higher mv? I am building a 22gt 22" 7.5tw with 120 freebore. With my experience using this cartridge in a 26" pipe with 170fb, I know it'll run 90s at 3100fps easily. Losing 100fps with shorter barrel but dropping bullet weight by 15% I'd expect the 77s to run in the 3050-3150 range. My 18" 22 creed does just this, with ability to run another 100fps higher. I have not tried 77s in the creed, but 75eldm did well on 2 deer last year from 250-480y at 3100mv. I have serval thousand of the 77tmk and want to start using them up. I don't own any 223 bolt guns, just ar15s.