My RAR 1st gen is chambered in 5.56 NATO.The Ranch rifles I have are actually chambered for 5.56.
Jay
My RAR 1st gen is chambered in 5.56 NATO.The Ranch rifles I have are actually chambered for 5.56.
The military is moving away from the 5.56 to larger calibers due the sub standard lethality. They went with the 5.56 due to weight carried by soldiers. Part of that is the FMJ, particularly M855 with the steel penetrator. A 77 grain hunting bullet is a better choice than FMJ (and required by law in most states). A even better choice for big game is a 150 grain hunting bullet, IMO, particularly larger quarry. BTW, thanks for the “all due respect”.All due respect, doesn’t your experience actually state “30 years of military experience would indicate that FMJ’s aren’t a good choice for hunting”?
The military is moving away from the 5.56 to larger calibers due the sub standard lethality.
As is my Gen 2.My RAR 1st gen is chambered in 5.56 NATO.
Jay
You referring to the AR-10 size receiver, heavier base weight, more recoiling Sig rifle that the Army infantry is getting?No they aren’t. One branch with a poorly thought out idea trying to implement a horrible system for a relatively small subset of forces isn’t the military moving away from anything- and it certainly isn’t due to sub standard lethality.
You’re almost there. Keep thinkingYou referring to the AR-10 size receiver, heavier base weight, more recoiling Sig rifle that the Army infantry is getting?
The round sounds good on paper, but when you apply the above rifle to this latest gen of kids, I don’t think it will go well.
We can’t seem to stop recruiting kids that just want to eat Cheetos and energy drinks and play video games. They don’t need a heavier longer rifle and more recoil. I’d rather them upgrade the issued ammo to a match 77 grain bullet, and upgrade the M4 to the current configurations you see used in high performing tac teams.
“Army's fiscal 2025 budget request, the service has a long-term plan of buying 111,428 XM7 rifles, 13,334 XM250 automatic rifles, and 124,749 XM157 Fire Control devices..”No they aren’t. One branch with a poorly thought out idea trying to implement a horrible system for a relatively small subset of forces isn’t the military moving away from anything- and it certainly isn’t due to sub standard lethality.
The reasoning isn't lethality. It's body armor. Also, since when do we trust the government to make good decisions?The military is moving away from the 5.56 to larger calibers due the sub standard lethality. They went with the 5.56 due to weight carried by soldiers. Part of that is the FMJ, particularly M855 with the steel penetrator. A 77 grain hunting bullet is a better choice than FMJ (and required by law in most states). A even better choice for big game is a 150 grain hunting bullet, IMO, particularly larger quarry. BTW, thanks for the “all due respect”.
Thanks for your personal opinion. It really stacks up well with all the data in the thread“Army's fiscal 2025 budget request, the service has a long-term plan of buying 111,428 XM7 rifles, 13,334 XM250 automatic rifles, and 124,749 XM157 Fire Control devices..”
The Army Has Finally Fielded Its Next Generation Squad Weapons
The Army has officially fielded its Next Generation Squad Weapon systems to its first unit, replacing its M4 and M249 weapons in a change decades in the making.www.military.com
I will agree that non-combat arms units will be using 5.56 for a long while, however historically when the US Army fields a major weapons system, other services and allies tend to follow. The main driver was lethality issues at longer ranges.
Back to hunting, the 77g 5.56 certainly has its place, specifically smaller static animals at shorter ranges. I would not classify 5.56 as an “all around” big game cartridge as indicated by the thread title since there are so many other great options.
I would not classify 5.56 as an “all around” big game cartridge as indicated by the thread title since there are so many other great options.
You know they never do.How about classification based on the actual contents of the thread, not just the title? Have you read past the first page?
Based on what metric? There has been a pretty substantial amount of in field study done by participants in this thread that show otherwise.Back to hunting, the 77g 5.56 certainly has its place, specifically smaller static animals at shorter ranges. I would not classify 5.56 as an “all around” big game cartridge as indicated by the thread title since there are so many other great options.
I don’t think the title or contents “classify” the 223 in any particular category.Back to hunting, the 77g 5.56 certainly has its place, specifically smaller static animals at shorter ranges. I would not classify 5.56 as an “all around” big game cartridge as indicated by the thread title since there are so many other great options.
You offered straight opinion contrary to the data. Please provide data points to back up your opinion. If not, it’s just another contrary opinion trying to trollActually I did follow the thread. I am surprised as to some of the oddly defensive reactions from the 77grain 5.56 crowd when offered other points of view. I have seen lighter caliber shots big game animals go poorly resulting in loss or a drawn out track. Certainly use the legal caliber of your choice. It’s your hunt not mine.
It’s always the same: “I heard someone who saw someone say that the animal didn’t even flinch when shot with a 223.”You offered straight opinion contrary to the data. Please provide data points to back up your opinion. If not, it’s just another contrary opinion trying to troll
Well it only took me a month to read, is the reason I joined the site, and is still boggling my mind.
I know it works and can see it but will continue to question until I go do it(but thats just a character flaw I have in regards to anything, I need to see results first hand to truly accept and stop questioning). .......
I didn't have all my stuff already. But it was worth it!Thanks god I have all my stuff already because if I didn't, this thread would have been expensive!
Back to hunting, the 77g 5.56 certainly has its place, specifically smaller static animals at shorter ranges. I would not classify 5.56 as an “all around” big game cartridge as indicated by the thread title since there are so many other great options.
Back to hunting, the 77g 5.56 certainly has its place, specifically smaller static animals at shorter ranges. I would not classify 5.56 as an “all around” big game cartridge as indicated by the thread title since there are so many other great options.