.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[BjornF16]

Just saying…while supplies last

Black Hills 5.56 77 Gr TMK Ammunition

Black Hills TMK 5.56 77 Gr. Sierra Ammo 77 Gr. TMK Velocity: 2750 FPS 50ct box The products offered for sale on this page can expose you to chemicals, including Lead, which are known to the State of California to cause cancer, birth defects or other reproductive harm. For...

www.creedmoorsports.com

 

[atmat]

Just saying…while supplies last

While supplies lasted. They’re already out.

 

[rsltid13]

It's still showing in stock when you click on the link. I had one of theirs saved and it showed out of stock but searched black hills and it was instock
edit: by the time I got done typing it was gone

 

[RiffRaff]

Just saying…while supplies last

Black Hills 5.56 77 Gr TMK Ammunition

Black Hills TMK 5.56 77 Gr. Sierra Ammo 77 Gr. TMK Velocity: 2750 FPS 50ct box The products offered for sale on this page can expose you to chemicals, including Lead, which are known to the State of California to cause cancer, birth defects or other reproductive harm. For...

www.creedmoorsports.com

Got my order in, thanks dude!

 

[BjornF16]

While supplies lasted. They’re already out.

I didn't post that until I had MY order in...

 

[atmat]

I didn't post that until I had MY order in...

Haha should’ve had you grab me a box and meet at the range.

 

[DBird]

Cabela's claims to have the .223 77 TMK in stock, for $44.99/100. Seems legit, it's the Sierra 7177 bullet. I ordered some yesterday and they shipped today.

 

[rsltid13]

Cabela's claims to have the .223 77 TMK in stock, for $44.99/100. Seems legit, it's the Sierra 7177 bullet. I ordered some yesterday and they shipped today.

Thanks able to grab a few (3box limit)

 

[ztc92]

Also wanted to say thanks, I believe I was able to get 3 but had to do so in multiple orders due to stock changing as I ordered. We’ll see!

 

[Hooknbullet2]

Cabela's claims to have the .223 77 TMK in stock, for $44.99/100. Seems legit, it's the Sierra 7177 bullet. I ordered some yesterday and they shipped today.

Thank you. I just ordered 200.

 

[WestTN2288]

read this whole thing and it has opened a whole new can of worms on my reloading bench. Just built a 10.5in SBR for fun. However, I couldn’t help but notice how easy it is to pack around. Now I have a bullet shopping list and wait for November to give it a shot hunting.

 

[COLD SMOKE]

Reading through the entire thread now, only at page 80 or so.

I joined rokslide because of this thread, it had great first hand evidence/information.

Thanks to all who contributed to this knowledge.
————————————
My question

1.)
TMK 77 is likely unobtainable for me in the next few months.

what I can obtain is,

Federal fusion 62g
Or…
Hornady ELD-M 73g

Which would be preferred for hunting deer? Are they equivalent or is one clearly a better choice?

1st hand is experience and opinion and a welcomed.

if this has already been addressed specifically in the thread
and someone has a link to the thread page that would be appreciated as well.

 

[awildswanger]

View attachment 568761
60 grn Hammer Heart

What knife is that?

 

[fwafwow]

Reading through the entire thread now, only at page 80 or so.

I joined rokslide because of this thread, it had great first hand evidence/information.

Thanks to all who contributed to this knowledge.
————————————
My question

1.)
TMK 77 is likely unobtainable for me in the next few months.

what I can obtain is,

Federal fusion 62g
Or…
Hornady ELD-M 73g

Which would be preferred for hunting deer? Are they equivalent or is one clearly a better choice?

1st hand is experience and opinion and a welcomed.

if this has already been addressed specifically in the thread
and someone has a link to the thread page that would be appreciated as well.

You can use the search function and limit to this thread. I did quick searches for both weights and there were quite a few results

 

[COLD SMOKE]

Just did it and came up with a list of non TMK 77 options around page 160 of this thread.

 

[grappling_hook]

Deep penetration, narrow wound channel. It kills fine however bullets such as TSX’s and on the other side- varmint bullets are what have given .22’s the “marginal” label. The 77gr TMK, 75 and 88gr ELD-M, etc produce exceptionally good wound channels.

Do you have any observations to share about wound channels from bullets such as 62gr Nosler Varmageddon or 60gr Vmax on mid/large game?

 

[Formidilosus]

Do you have any observations to share about wound channels from bullets such as 62gr Nosler Varmageddon or 60gr Vmax on mid/large game?

They do fine generally- specifically the 60gr VMAX. They average between 10-12 inches of penetration, almost never exiting. They are a bit shallow in wounds for my preference, but certainly kill fine, and sometimes dramatically.

 

[Shraggs]

What knife is that?

I believe that is a bark river, model “wolf river”.

Awesome skinner

 

[Fire power]

I've been hunting deer with a 223 for the last few years using anything from bulk 55 grain soft points to 75 grain Hornady HPBT on deer ranging in size from little great dane sized deer, mature does, and a pretty big Kansas buck that walked out the last day of rifle season. The only one that ran went 30 yards with a hole in its heart, it was a chest shot on a small doe staring at me from 150 yards with a bulk 55 grain soft point. What I've found, at least on Kansas deer in early December is a 223 doesn't seem to make them as jumpy as a 30-06 does. On multiple occasions I've shot one deer, watched it drop, then shoot the one next to it a few seconds later. Where as with my larger center fires, I shoot one, the others kick it in to high gear and are gone immediately.

 

[Zerk]

People shoot them with bows.
But what is the point, other than to say you did it? IMO I want to shoot the biggest I can shoot well. If you have health issues, and can only shoot a smaller gun, I get it.

Until recently the guns I accuired from youth didn't even have recoil pads. Add a recoil pad and bigger guns really shoot nice.

I do get the idea that it gives you a better chance to stay on target. I understand velocity is a key component to energy.

I don't disagree they will do it, But I have to think there are calibers below the really big ones, that would have more to offer.

I was listening to podcast about 22 creedmoor going over its energy at various points. One thing they didn't like about 223 was the bullets available.

As for the heart picture, you don't think that is anemic? A large calibler would have done more damage?
I get we are in an era of great bullet exansion, and not what it was 20 years ago.