22 Creedmoor for Scimitar Oryx?

[Mojave]

I never noticed the body conformation for those Texas hill country aoudad is totally different than the ones that live in the Davis Mountains and New Mexico in the Lincoln. Nice horns.

 

[JGRaider]

It isn’t just “moderate” ranges. The heavy, fragmenting match bullets get comparatively better than conventional bullets from much larger calibers, as impact velocity goes down.

I've killed 10 gemsbok in Namibia. I find that hard to believe after using 7mm 160 AB's and partitions unless you're calling exploding bullets "comparatively better".

 

[Mojave]

I have killed 3 gemsbok, I'd never shoot at once with a 22 Creedmoor.

Maybe I am a bad shot.

Then again shooting one off of a feeder is a different animal than chasing them in the Kalahari.

 

[JGRaider]

I never noticed the body conformation for those Texas hill country aoudad is totally different than the ones that live in the Davis Mountains and New Mexico in the Lincoln. Nice horns.

You're saying they're different somehow? sturner, nice ram!

 

[Formidilosus]

I've killed 10 gemsbok in Namibia. I find that hard to believe after using 7mm 160 AB's and partitions unless you're calling exploding bullets "comparatively better".

I do not understand what you are saying here.

At the same impact velocities, the .224 88gr ELD-M creates a larger would channel than the 7mm 160gr AB.

 

[JGRaider]

I have killed 3 gemsbok, I'd never shoot at once with a 22 Creedmoor.

Maybe I am a bad shot.

Then again shooting one off of a feeder is a different animal than chasing them in the Kalahari.

You're not kidding about that.

 

[Formidilosus]

I have killed 3 gemsbok, I'd never shoot at once with a 22 Creedmoor.

Maybe I am a bad shot.

Then again shooting one off of a feeder is a different animal than chasing them in the Kalahari.

Does the bullet somehow creates less damage when put into an animal in the desert?

 

[Mojave]

You're saying they're different somehow? sturner, nice ram!

My ram looked like Mike Tyson. That sheep looks more like a deer.

I have other people say the same thing, I had never seen on in the salt from the hill country before.

not knocking the ram, I'd crawl through hell for a ram that nice.

 

[JGRaider]

I do not understand what you are saying here.

At the same impact velocities, the .224 88gr ELD-M creates a larger would channel than the 7mm 160gr AB.

I asked if that's because they "explode"? You'd be laughed out of Africa if you showed up with a .224 BTW. As a matter of fact you wouldn't be hunting 99% of plains game with it either.

 

[Mojave]

Does the bullet somehow creates less damage when put into an animal in the desert?

No it doesn't. Shooting a game ranch animal at a feeder is more of a controlled environment.

Nothing wrong with it. I have noticed that in Texas. I always felt like I had more time in the Hill Country to kill something.

 

[Mojave]

I asked if that's because they "explode"? You'd be laughed out of Africa if you showed up with a .224 BTW. As a matter of fact you wouldn't be hunting 99% of plains game with it either.

I would not be legal in most African countries.

 

[JGRaider]

My ram looked like Mike Tyson. That sheep looks more like a deer.

I have other people say the same thing, I had never seen on in the salt from the hill country before.

not knocking the ram, I'd crawl through hell for a ram that nice.

Just curious. I've never shot one in the hill country. I've had the good fortune to cull about 100 of them over the past 30 years in the Trans Pecos though. Badass creature for sure.

 

[sturner88]

It isn’t just “moderate” ranges. The heavy, fragmenting match bullets get comparatively better than conventional bullets from much larger calibers, as impact velocity goes down.

could that have been why the farther shot on the oryx caused significantly more internal trauma?

I have killed 3 gemsbok, I'd never shoot at once with a 22 Creedmoor.

Maybe I am a bad shot.

Then again shooting one off of a feeder is a different animal than chasing them in the Kalahari.

to be clear, though we have some gemsbok, im shooting smaller oryx species. Significantly smaller. We are finding the oryx off of the feeders and having to do some light stalking. I’m not confident shooting >400 on any of these animals because a wounded animal is a beast of a track job on our red dirt and thick cedars/mesquites

 

[Mojave]

In Namibia it has to be 2700 joules for Oryx. 6.5 Creedmoor would be legal.

22/250, 22 CM and such would not.

 

[Formidilosus]

I asked if that's because they "explode"?

Considering that the bullets do not have any explosive compound in them, no- they do not “explode”.

You'd be laughed out of Africa if you showed up with a .224 BTW. As a matter of fact you wouldn't be hunting 99% of plains game with it either.

Really? Being that I am familiar with multiple people and PH’s that use, and have used that exact combo on all kinds of African game, in Africa- probably not. But, as most of your statements, this one too is based on a fallacy. What someone would, or wouldn’t laugh at, has nothing to do with what a bullet does in tissue.

 

[Mojave]

There is a South African bullet maker that uses a 22 wildcat centerfire on everything. South Africa must have different regulations.

 

[JGRaider]

Considering that the bullets do not have any explosive compound in them, no- they do not “explode”.



Really? Being that I am familiar with multiple people and PH’s that use, and have used that exact combo on all kinds of African game, in Africa- probably not. But, as most of your statements, this one too is based on a fallacy. What someone would, or wouldn’t laugh at, has nothing to do with what a bullet does in tissue.

A landowner or PH can use whatever they want, and a paying hunter cannot so you can guess again. I guess part of those "thousands plural" of game you've killed personally have come from Africa now all of the sudden?

 

[JGRaider]

In Namibia it has to be 2700 joules for Oryx. 6.5 Creedmoor would be legal.

22/250, 22 CM and such would not.

Thank, I knew there was some minimum by law. Evidently some people believe you can make your own rules when you go hunt over there. Since PH's see several hundred animals killed every year, and literally a few thousand animals killed through the years, they've likely got a much better idea of which bullets work and which do not than any and everyone else.

 

[Formidilosus]

A landowner or PH can use whatever they want, and a paying hunter cannot so you can guess again.

I’m not guessing.

I guess part of those "thousands plural" of game you've killed personally have come from Africa now all of the sudden?

Is your goal here to constantly troll, offer no help to anyone, give no information, and in general just to speak ignorantly about most subjects?

 

[JGRaider]

I’m not guessing.




Is your goal here to constantly troll, offer no help to anyone, give no information, and in general just to speak ignorantly about most subjects?

With regards to Africa, which you responded to, you have no idea what you're talking about, and that's not trolling, that's fact. Ignorant people think they know everything.